The Power of Mindset: Lianne Laing on Living Your Best Life

The Power of Mindset: Lianne Laing on Living Your Best Life

Lianne:
Everything that I have done in my life has always been a has people scratching their heads and then at that moment go, oh, no. Okay. I get it. There were small, little, tiny snippets that you would feel for a second. Yeah. And it’s like, I want more of that. And if you don’t listen to that feeling,

Kate Beere:
Welcome to the Living Rich Super excited for our guest today. We have Lianne Laing joining us. Welcome. Thank you.

Eric Deschamps:
Local celebrities. Great to have you on the show.

Lianne:
I the celebrity guy.

Eric Deschamps:
I’ll wait

Lianne:
Make sure we we we get the

Eric Deschamps:
For for those of you listening on Spotify, we just air cool

Lianne:
you big time. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Well, you spent over 20 years in television broadcasting

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Starting as a sports anchor, moving into hosting CTV morning show, then kinda jump shift and move into your own thing doing health and fitness, and now you’re the president of, I wanna get this right, Ottawa Heart Institute Foundation.

Lianne:
Mhmm.

Kate Beere:
And that’s your career.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Then you’re, you know, mom of 2 amazing girls, wife, daughter, philanthropist, and I can’t wait to unpack it all. So thank you for being here.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. And you describe yourself as a storyteller in all those different roles that storytelling is an important part of what’s behind that? What drove that?

Lianne:
I think I mean, you know what? Even as a child, I loved to write. I loved to tell stories. And then, you know, for 20 years, I became a storyteller. But I think in that transition coming out of television and and what inspired me, what motivated me, what was my why, I think it always came back to telling a really good story. And I think a really good story, is a critical part of everyone’s life. It’s a critical story that gets you into a conversation. It’s a story that ignites love. It’s a story that you learn about people.

Lianne:
It’s a story that inspires giving and work. And so, honestly, I truly believe storytelling is almost like the base of so much of what we do and make decisions on in our life. A

Eric Deschamps:
A 100%. I actually go back to even the beginning of civilization, and we’ve been gathering around fires, listening to stories. Since we’ve been able to communicate. So it’s such an essential part of life. Right?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. I’m curious to jump into, like, career shift because that’s like, mega. 20 years on, you know, in TV broadcasting, jumping ship to do your own thing, and then now jumping ship again about, I I guess, 4 or 5 years ago, somewhere in there. Yeah.

Lianne:
I’m actually just at the 4 year mark.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh, wow.

Lianne:
Right. Yeah. Just it it goes really fast. It was July of 2020.

Eric Deschamps:
That’s crazy because it feels like that that was more recent.

Lianne:
Yeah. It feels like it was yesterday, I think, to a lot of people just because they were so used to seeing me in one environment for so long. Yeah. So that jumping ship is, like, it’s, like, the pivotal part of, you know, my Yeah. My second life. So, you know, I I think my life, and if I kinda is is really about, taking chances. Mhmm. And, like, it’s really about taking chances and trusting my gut instinct.

Lianne:
Yeah. And right even from, like, getting into television in the first place. Because even that was, like, one of those WTFs. Like, everything that I have done in my life has always been a has people scratching their heads and then at that moment go, oh, no. Okay. I get it. It makes sense. Right.

Lianne:
Right. So but it’s always like that first initial thing. So, I went to school. I I ended up at the University of Massachusetts. I was a gymnast. So I have that full athletic background and and being able to get there on a on an NCAA scholarship. But I went to school thinking I wanted to be a sports psychologist. I go to school for psychology.

Lianne:
I quickly switch out of that and then head into the business department. I end end up graduating with 2 business degrees. A lot of focus on sports marketing.

Kate Beere:
Okay.

Lianne:
I come home. I graduate from university. My mom has a massive gymnastics school here in the city. Massive. You know, she built it. 50 years of building it from 1 athlete to over 2,000 a year. Like, it’s one of the best clubs in the country, but she was celebrating her 25th anniversary. And so having just graduated and having done all the stuff, I put together press releases.

Lianne:
I sent things out to the media. I was trying to just help my mom get some attention for it, as I was, you know, just a fresh graduate, and then Yeah. Head I was actually gonna be heading to Toronto to take my first job. And so when, at the time, CHRO Wow.

Eric Deschamps:
Came Wow. Skitchar. Woah. Wow. Do I ever feel old? Right?

Lianne:
Okay. So that puts things in perspective.

Eric Deschamps:
Wow. Yeah.

Lianne:
And it was Kenneth Rayer who came, to cover the event. And he said, we got this press release. Who sent it? And I said, I did. He goes, do you mind going on camera just giving us the who, what, where, when, why of this event? And then I get a good basis of of what’s happening. Yeah. And when we finished the interview, he stopped the cameras. He handed me his boss’s business card and said, our station is looking for a young female, university educated, former elite athlete to be our new sports anchor. What? And it was like, the check.

Lianne:
Check. Check. Check. And I was on TV 5 days later. Holy And so, and this is when I talk to people. Like, being coachable has been the critical part of my life. It was it was part of my from the time I was 6 years old until I finished and and retired as a gymnast at 22, and it became the kind of the main thing as to how I, like, succeeded in each of the careers and each of the projects that I took on because you had to learn, and I had to learn on the spot. Like, I was making I was learning how to be a sports anchor live on the 6th and 11 o’clock news.

Lianne:
It they just they threw me in. At the time, it was great because it was new. It was, nobody was watching yet, so I was able to make a ton of mistakes and learn. But I had to, like I knew what it was like to be an athlete, and that was the big part of why they hired me because I I understood it. I lived it. But I was 22 years old, and I was heading into the Sens locker room with, like, Wade Renan and Chris Phillips.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. And not accepting me bit, like, starstruck there.

Lianne:
We’re all the same age. Right? And here I was. Yeah. And it was it was really about me being comfortable in that environment because all of my friends and my housemates at university, we were all athletes. We were all and so I was living with my best friends who were being drafted into the NHL and drafted into Major League Baseball. So, so I was comfortable in that environment. I wasn’t in awe. I was like, these are my peers.

Lianne:
Yeah. We’ve been in the training rooms together. We’ve been in rehab to get, like like, physio therapy. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
You gotta be a silly kid on that one.

Lianne:
Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I and I I understood. Like, I understood what it was like to recover from injury or to have fear or to have uncertainty. So that was a really good thing heading into being in that environment.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
And then I had to learn, like, Formula 1 and tennis and golf and curling. And, like, I had to learn everything about all of these sports. So it was a lot to learn, and I thought I would be there for a couple years and then figure things out. So 10 years, I was on sports, and then, after having my second, child, Jamie, I was put back on to the morning show. Here again is when I really think you have to make the most of an opportunity and, put your best foot forward.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
My boss at the time, called and said, we’re we’re taking you off sports. You’re coming back after Matt Levi on the morning show as the new weather girl. Okay. So talk about having, like, a massive mental breakdown.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh my god. What a change. I had a reaction of, like

Kate Beere:
my job.

Eric Deschamps:
That didn’t feel that didn’t feel like a promotion. That felt like

Lianne:
you Like losing my shit.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Right?

Lianne:
I I can swear on that.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. You can show it.

Lianne:
You can show it. Lost it. And I’m like, how dare you do this to me? It’s like one of those things where it’s like a woman you go off on mat leave. You’re so concerned about Yeah. Your job. I and I only took 6 months off with both pregnant with both kids. I went back to work after that, and I lost it. And I’m like, first off, I’ve never seen the morning show because I’m not a morning person.

Lianne:
I’m like a die I’m like a vampire. My husband like, I was, like, late at night, so 6 in the 11 o’clock news. Like, 11 o’clock news, and I there was still time in the day. Right? And I’d never seen the morning show, and I know nothing about weather. And this is one of those I went to chapters. I picked up a book on weather for dummies. It does exist. And I learned some I I learned about you know? And if my geography teacher in high school had known that this was gonna be it.

Eric Deschamps:
You said no. Adult.

Lianne:
So And And my boss was just like, make the most of it. Make it yourself. Find something that you’re passionate about. Pitch me an idea. And that’s when I pitched to him, if you’re gonna make me do this show, then then I wanna do something health and wellness oriented. And that’s when I created Today’s the Day, which is very similar to this Yeah. Podcast. It was something you can do every day, to kind of inspire or to motivate or do something better in your life.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
And so I had enlisted about 20 different nutritionists, trainers, chiropractors, wellness coaches. Like, I had a roster Yeah. Of people that I really enjoyed working with and had interviewed, and so created this this segment, which today’s day became my baby, and that actually was used national across the network. So it was something I was really proud of.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
I was on yeah. I was on weather for about three and a half months. And And

Eric Deschamps:
they say about the weather. Right? Like, the the joke about the being, like, in that business is you can be wrong most of the time.

Lianne:
I was so I’m like,

Eric Deschamps:
okay. Job. So I It’s the only job you could be wrong Right. Most of the time.

Lianne:
I would take I had the weather network and Environment Canada websites opened, and I would average the 2 temperatures. So I would take the average.

Eric Deschamps:
What you’re saying is there’s a real science behind this.

Lianne:
I would take the I and I would average it, and that’s how I

Eric Deschamps:
would come up

Lianne:
with my numbers.

Eric Deschamps:
Folks, you

Lianne:
heard it here first. Yeah. That’s exactly it. And I made I did what I had to do. And about three and a half months later, there were massive it was one of the largest cuts that Bell Media had done, and they got rid of our 6 o’clock, our 11 o’clock news. They got rid of the noon show. They got rid of everything. The only show they kept Yeah.

Lianne:
The only show was CTV morning. Wow. And and that day, also, I was the there was a lot of, there were a lot of changes on the show, and I was made the the main host. K. Wow. And my boss kinda looked at me and and kinda gave me a wink and was like, he I’m so grateful for that, and I’m grateful and I’m proud of myself that I just I stuck with it, and I just I put my head down and did what I had to do. But my boss knew, like, 6 like, months months months ago that these changes were happening, and he saved me by taking me off of sports, which I knew was which no longer existed.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
Put me into a position that he knew I could do and cover for the months that I needed to do it. And Right. And then had me land in the spot that he had envisioned me. Yeah. So, you know, that also was a lesson learned. Like Yeah. You make the most of the opportunity. You never know what’s next.

Lianne:
You never know how later on you’re gonna connect the dots backwards. So I’m really proud of myself for kind of Well pushing through that way. Yeah. Absolutely. Went on to be and then I was 10 years, 10 years as the main host of CTV morning live.

Eric Deschamps:
Wow. Yeah. Okay. Well, in all those transitions, you’re talking about again, we we just did a couple of shows on, the rejecting the bullshit of work life balance and integrating more about integration and rhythm and so many people staying in roles they’re unhappy in. Right? There was a lot of change there for you. And what what did you find hardest as you were navigating

Lianne:
all the time? The hardest part was, especially going to the morning show was, the lack of sleep. So, yeah, like, honestly, my like, Tony called it the life ruiner. We he he had 10 years of the life ruiner. Jamie was 7 months old at that point when I when I changed hours. I was getting up at 3:30 in the morning. I don’t know how. So 3:30 in the morning, the show like, it was there were long days. Show was 4 hours.

Lianne:
We had meetings at 11:30. Because I was the main host, I was always doing extra commercials and stuff afterwards, so my day ended at around 1:30. I would immediately go to the gym because the workout gym for me is, like, my therapy. Yeah. It is my favorite time of the day. And so I get to the gym and then leave the gym to go pick up the kids from school at 3, which I hadn’t seen them yet that morning. And then, you know, and my kids are both in competitive sports, so it was late night, so I wouldn’t get home till 8:30, 9. Dinner, I’m in bed at 10, but I went from 10 until 3:30, surviving on very little sleep for a very long time.

Lianne:
And it was it was really difficult. And this is where we get into the shift or the chain what you were talking about.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
So I’m 20 years on the show. I’m exhausted. Yeah. Like, 20 years in the business, 10 years on the show. I am literally in Groundhog Day. I am now covering things for the 20th time. I am doing the 20th time doing the Chiyo picnic the breakfast or the run for the or any event you can possibly think of. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
I’ve already

Lianne:
been in ad I’ve done it

Eric Deschamps:
multiple times.

Lianne:
Multiple times. Like, I could do I was at point where I’d sit on set and be like and but I was like, I could do this interview without having the guest. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
I can’t answer

Lianne:
your question. Like, I knew I knew all the details. I’d emptied. I’d done it. Like, I was just and I’m sitting there, and I’m looking at what’s happening in the industry. Yeah. And I’m watching the cuts and, like, more responsibility, less people. Like, our our workload had just tripled.

Lianne:
And I’m like and Twitter and YouTube. Like, it the the industry was just I mean, as you can tell now, like, the industry is hardly existing at this point. And I kind of saw the writing on the wall, and I’m like, there’s nowhere left for me to go.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
I’m Right. You know, I’m in 20 years in this career. What what’s left for me? Because I know I’m not motivated coming to work. Yep. I started to really feel like I was not dreading it, and I hadn’t been in that position. Yeah. And in June of 2017, I end up with a horrible case of shingles. Like, very, very painful.

Lianne:
Yeah. Well, I don’t know. Yeah. And because my body has been such an integral part of my mind body connection

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
As I was lying there in, like, excruciating pain, there was a part of me that said wake up. Like, your body now is telling you Right. Your mind or, you know, is your mind is checked out.

Eric Deschamps:
That.

Lianne:
Yeah. It has checked out a long time. Yeah. You’ve been on this set for probably a year or 2 now going?

Eric Deschamps:
Autopilot. Right?

Lianne:
Autopilot. Yeah. Great way to And and to be in this much pain and my body breaking down, and it’s like my body was finally saying, I can’t do this anymore. I’m exhausted. Yeah. Like, this is your chance.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
So that’s when I went to my boss and said, I’ll be honest with you. I I think I’m done. Yeah. Like, I there’s nowhere left for me to go. I’ve had an incredible thing. But if I leave now, I’m 42. I’ve had 20 years in the business, but I can reinvent myself Yeah. And have an opportunity to to to start again.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. But that’s not easy thing to do.

Kate Beere:
Like It’s not.

Lianne:
Trust me. There was, like I I shortened this to like, there were a lot of nights where I was, like, pacing

Eric Deschamps:
Right. At

Lianne:
2, 3 in the morning, going and going, what am I thinking? How am I gonna support myself? Like Well

Eric Deschamps:
because fear’s a thing. Like, fears are real.

Lianne:
Fear is real. And it was, like, it kept me up at night. But I was like, would I be more disappointed in myself if I chickened out and just lay through and then eventually, knowing the industry, eventually, would have happened, so to be able to do this on my terms. And so I went to him in that June and started the conversations. Yeah. He said you know, he was really good. He’s like, think about it. This was not something we we were thinking.

Lianne:
And so I went back and and stayed a couple more months. And then right around Thanksgiving, I was like, no. We’re

Kate Beere:
It’s tough.

Lianne:
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to really sit there and say

Kate Beere:
Consider it.

Lianne:
Consider it. Yeah. And and I really sat in that chair and looked at what was happening. And I said, I’m really good to go. And he was real he’s I’m one of the few people I could say that I really had a good relationship with this person because most people don’t. That’s it. And And and and I said, I need to leave. I go, but I have no idea how I’m gonna do this.

Lianne:
And he said, I need you to stay. Wait until we’ll do it. You’ll do a goodbye show. Let people know this is on you. We’ll do that on November 10th. We plan this whole thing. And and in this time too, I should say. Like, I went through a ton of meditation.

Lianne:
I started reading. I knew that I was gonna be dealing, and for me, it was much more about the ego, is how to Yeah. How to be no longer. I went from being Lianne, the gymnast, to Leanne, the TV personality. Like, who was I? What was I dependent? Like, I had to do a lot of, inner soul searching Yeah. And to release the ego or what the expectations were gonna be what the expectations from everyone else were gonna be. Because when I announced that I was leaving, everyone thought I had, like, this big thing I was about to announce.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
And I knew I had nothing. I knew that I was literally jumping off a cliff

Kate Beere:
without a parachute. Like I remember sitting poolside after at Penny’s, and we were chatting, and Leah had left. And you were, like, you

Eric Deschamps:
started know each other outside of this, outside of the podcast you’ve had before. And We do. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah. Usually over pool and

Eric Deschamps:
some A little dream.

Kate Beere:
Sangria.

Lianne:
Yeah. Summertime. Best friend. I’m a great friend of mine too, but we’ve been neighbors for twenties. Yeah. We’re literally right at home. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. So wild. So so so small world.

Lianne:
There. I see the car. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
And we’re meeting actually for the first time in person, but I feel

Lianne:
like I

Eric Deschamps:
we Eric. Yeah.

Lianne:
I feel like I we’ve been connected for so long. Yeah. On social media

Eric Deschamps:
and so and the It is.

Kate Beere:
Job. But we like, I remember that time for you, and I remember you were, like, wrestling with, like, where am I going and what am I gonna do? Like, knowing it was the right decision, but really struggling with, like, okay, now what? Like, what does this look like? And being able to anchor into, like, the mindset work, I think, is, like, I think is is everything because it’s that it’s it’s it’s like your mind is checking yourself sometimes to thinking, okay. This was good, and then you’re like, did I just really fuck this up? Right? Like, that’s where

Lianne:
your head brain that we talked about, like the what if, what if, should’ve, like, my brain was just and so I really had to comment. And so meditation for me was, like, the the savior.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
I’ll I’m so grateful to have found it and so grateful to have found some really good books. The Untethered Soul for me was my first book.

Eric Deschamps:
God. No way. It’s one of our favorite

Lianne:
books out there. So that for me was, like, one of my that was, like, the launching point for me. Like, that book was really very helpful in Yeah. In going through this whole thing. In any case, so, so I left, and then I had to deal with ego too because when I did leave, I left thinking I was great. My boss was like, you have, like, a couple weeks of having your email. You’ll be fine. And then there was massive layoffs

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
The following, like, a week or so later. And so there was a ton, and then my name was included in that.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
So then it was like the ego check again is, like, knowing for months this had been my decision, but then knowing but, I knew that like, I had said to my boss, like, I need something. And so he’d packaged my name in, like so but I had to then deal with the ego of people thinking, okay. So she was late. Like, so I had to really battle and trust myself that I was in a I was gonna be in I was in a good place. And then I went into what gave me passion and motivation when on the job, and that was always my health and wellness guest.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Yeah.

Lianne:
It was the doctors and the nutritionists. Like, anything to do with health and wellness, those are my favorite segments. Like, those excited me at work. Yeah. And so then I created my

Eric Deschamps:
podcast story forever.

Lianne:
Forever.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. And it’s like it’s like, it’s a it’s it’s like an essential part of who you are. And I love how you were talking about just a moment ago. I was saying, like, I come to a place where I’m saying, I’m living life on it’s Groundhog Day. It’s like the same playlist on repeat. I’m on autopilot. This is not cutting it for me anymore. And you had to go back into yourself and say, so who the fuck am I? Right? Like, if I’m not this anymore and I think that’s why a lot of people stay stuck.

Kate Beere:
That’s why so many people stay stuck.

Eric Deschamps:
Dead end jobs, dead end relationships, like, they’re they’re they’re unhappy. They’re unsettled. They’re whatever. But they just stay.

Lianne:
So much easier. It is so hard to do

Eric Deschamps:
Right. The

Lianne:
hard like Right.

Eric Deschamps:
It is it is so much.

Lianne:
Staying Staying

Eric Deschamps:
is hard.

Lianne:
I well, staying is hard, but it’s it’s an easy way to just you kind of get in yourself in in acceptance.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Yeah.

Lianne:
I’ve you know? I find doing like, you need to do hard work when you’re doing this, and some people are don’t wanna do the work.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. We say, we say what do we say? We say, staying is hard. Yeah. Right? Because you pay a price

Lianne:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Being unsatisfied, unhappy, unfulfilled, bored. Right? Like so it’s hard in that respect. Making a change is hard. Right? Choose your heart. Yeah. Right?

Lianne:
Oh, that’s great. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
They’re both hard. But this one, making a change and following your heart is in in like, filled with hope about reinventing yourself and writing a new chapter.

Kate Beere:
But it and it your it is scary. We just talked this on the last show because I left a year ago, like, really cushy job. Now have, you know, partner in bold lip, doing living richly. I have my get to mindset stuff, but that leap is scary, and we don’t talk about it a lot. It’s it can be really terrifying to leave a stability. Well, for me, single mom, paycheck, like, I there’s no other backup. And then to go do this thing that I know like, I could feel it in my bones, in my body, that that’s where

Lianne:
I was supposed to be. Feel it. Right? Like and if you don’t listen to that feeling, that gut, that then it’s on you. Yeah. Like, you’re everything around you is is giving you these signals, and and it’s on you if you don’t follow it. It’s scary.

Eric Deschamps:
It it You you you described, like so your mind already knew I’m done. This is not working for me, but it took your body

Lianne:
It did take my body.

Eric Deschamps:
Pushing back against you and saying, wait a second. And and, I tell the story. It took me 3 burnouts to figure it out. I won’t get into that story, but 3 burnouts. I I’m a bit I I learn a little slowly sometimes, but it took me 3 times hitting the wall to finally realize, Deshaun, what the fuck are you doing? You’re not following your heart. You’re not doing the things that you love. You’ve gotten stuck in this, like, the the this system, and you don’t think you can do anything else only to realize reinventing yourself is possible for any single one of us. We can start at any time.

Eric Deschamps:
We can pick up that fucking pen, and we can start writing a new chapter. But the the picking up that pen can feel like it weighs 500 pounds. For sure. Straight in the moment.

Kate Beere:
For sure.

Lianne:
Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Like, I yeah. I mean, that’s exactly what And so I did it. I started the Living Your Life With Me online podcast, which, I loved. Steve was on there with me. Yeah.

Lianne:
No. Like, I did I had, like, I think yeah. It was it was an amazing opportunity. I loved what I was doing. I was very much focused on health and wellness. Yeah. I did a health and wellness cruise, in the Danube. Like, I I

Eric Deschamps:
did like a workout video during COVID. Were you not?

Lianne:
That okay. So Yeah. I was fully into this new life. You know, I was trying to figure out how I was gonna modify it. Like, I was so when I left television, it was like, you know, there was still an ego part, like, stay relevant, get the website up, do all of this stuff. So Of course. Without having figured out what I was gonna do. But I So

Eric Deschamps:
I have to predict something.

Lianne:
Something. Right. Something. So these were all little projects that I did, and then COVID hit. Like, I was doing well. I was and then COVID hit July of 2020. Sorry. March March of 2020.

Lianne:
Yeah. But then everything moved online. So I was very comfortable online around on camera. Right? Like, I’m I’m I’m preparing

Eric Deschamps:
for this moment for 20.

Lianne:
So, you know, so it’s easy to get some work there because people are like, we need to host these virtual events. And so I was like, I think I’m gonna be fine through COVID. Like, this is gonna be okay. And that’s when, I got a call from a headhunter, and they were like, we’re looking for you to have a we’re we’re looking to have a a confidential conversation about the Ottawa Heart Institute. And I was like so then I went and looked at what this posting was. I had no idea about it. And, I knew about 3 different people who were fundraisers, like, in like, CEOs of other foundations that weren’t enjoying their work. And I was like, I figured I was the referral Right.

Lianne:
For one of them. Right. So I wrote down a list of all my people that I was, like, that I was a referral for. And so when the headhunter called me, I said, okay. I have, like, a wager on which one of these people you’re calling me about. And he goes, no. We’re actually calling for you. Wow.

Lianne:
And so, my immediate reaction was no. And I was like, thank you very much, but no. And then I went down to the basement. My husband works in the basement. He’s an artist. And I said to Tony, I just had the weirdest conversation. And I said, you know, what it was about. And I was like, well, it’s a it’s a definite no.

Lianne:
And he looked at me, and he’s like, how is this a definite no? He was, this is, like, everything, like, that’s you. He’s like, it’s health and wellness and networking and storytelling. He’s like, change the dialogue.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Change

Lianne:
like, you know, like, I’m thinking of this role as what I knew it as. I knew I knew who had the role previously. I knew how the the presidents of every foundation and what they did and what and he’s like, change the dialogue. Mhmm. And he’s like and and I should kinda go back a little bit because this is my why. My dad died of a heart attack very, very young and Yeah. 2 weeks before my wedding. And Wow.

Lianne:
It was a it was a turning point in my life at at that point. So heart disease really affects very prayer affects me and and also really affects my decisions of prevention and wellness and knowing what my dad was likely suffering and hadn’t and had had symptoms and was risk factors, and we didn’t pay attention to them. So that part is huge for me. Yeah. And so I kind of go through what could I bring to the job that’s different Yeah. But that would make it so that I would love the job, and I would be passionate, and I would be successful.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And

Lianne:
so when I went back to the headhunter, I called him back. Not right away, but, you know That’s smart, Ruth.

Eric Deschamps:
And thinking and

Lianne:
some conversations later. A couple of days. Yeah. And I said, I’ll put my name forward, but I’m telling you right now, I’m coming into this position with a very different mindset and outlook and what I what I would bring that’s gonna be different than what you’re asking for.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
But I’ll be honest with you. That.

Eric Deschamps:
If I could because I don’t wanna miss this point. It’s so important. Like, here you are. You at first, you’re you’re you’re I I love how Tony says change your dialogue. Yeah. I heard change your perspective. Look at it from a different angle here. There’s actually all kinds of things that align with who you are.

Eric Deschamps:
Yep. But you took the opportunity to say, okay. But I could also make this something that more aligns with who I am. And, again, I think so many people don’t have that foundation. They don’t know who they are. They don’t know what they stand for. So they find Right? Once they picked up the pen I think I’m fortunate there. Like, I knew who I was.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Once I picked up the pen

Lianne:
I think I’m fortunate there. Like, I knew who I was by this.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Yeah.

Lianne:
And I knew I knew I had done the work. I knew what motivated me. I knew what what gives me my purpose, so I knew what I could do. And because I knew that’s so like like, I feel like we’ve talked about it. Like, what by my aura, my energy. Like, I knew if I was in that right energy space Yeah. That I could do any all of this. And I knew as soon as I said to the headhunter, I’m gonna I’ll put my name in.

Lianne:
Like, I knew I had the job. Like, I knew once I decided that I could do this, I knew the job was mine. Before I even went into the interviews, when before I went into anything, I knew this job was mine. Yeah. And and at that point, I started to go, what what can I do with this? Right. And so, I was July of 2020 when I started

Eric Deschamps:
Mhmm.

Lianne:
In the midst of COVID. I’m grateful for that time that the world was shut down because I had so much to learn. And, again, you go back into, I was coachable. I was willing to put in the hard work. Yeah. I studied. I figured things out. I learned the business.

Lianne:
I learned the lingo. Like, I learned it all, and I was and that was a critical part, but I was able to do that in, like, seclusion.

Eric Deschamps:
Well, that’s it. You you had a bubble there.

Lianne:
I had about like Yeah. I didn’t have a bubble when I had to make errors on live TV. You know? Like, that that was, like yeah. Yeah. I was a sinker swim. That’s the sinker swim. Yes. But this one, I had time behind closed doors, and I still went into the office every day, and I but I had to learn.

Lianne:
So for me there, I had to learn HR. I was now a boss of Yeah. 18 Yeah. Individuals who had been in this business, who knew, like, VPs. Like, I was coming in, and it was it was trying to figure out who I wanted to be as a leader.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. There you go.

Lianne:
How I wanted to lead. Yeah. Yeah. How I led is and I’m gonna look at Steve for this. But, like, when everyone asks me what my leadership style is, I say to people, it is exactly the opposite of what I experienced for 20 years as a as an employee.

Eric Deschamps:
I call those so we we we talk about mentors, having mentors in our lives. Folks that influence us deeply leave a a significant impact or deposit in us, and and they’ve literally altered our trajectory in some way. But I also refer to reverse mentors. Reverse mentors are those people that we encounter that we go, yeah, I don’t wanna be like that at all. Ever. But even that helps shape

Lianne:
our trajectory. Right? And it and I remember how I felt or what I would be looking for or looking for any type of, hey. Great job or good interview. Like, we got nothing of that because they held it against us that if we thought we were good, we already had egos. We were already TV personality egos.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
Right. We would, you know, expect more, ask for more, want more money. Like Right. So they never there was never an appreciation. There was never an appreciation that we got up at 3:30 in the morning to wake the city up. There was never a, you know, I I’ve been up since 3:30, but you’re still making me go do an event that’s gonna take me till 11 o’clock at night, but I still gotta be back at 3:30. Like Wow. So I took that into how do I wanna lead.

Lianne:
And, like, for me, it’s it’s I appreciate you. I appreciate the work. I know you’ve gone the extra mile. This is great. I love what you’ve done. This is great, but let’s try doing it.

Kate Beere:
But how amazing is it that you could take that, what’s happened to you? It’s spinning around.

Eric Deschamps:
I’m

Lianne:
I’m grateful for that. Like and sometimes, they’re they’re, like, little gifts that you don’t realize are gifts until

Eric Deschamps:
Well, you’ve turned you in many ways, you turned frustrations from your past into fuel for your role now. Right? You’re taking what I’ve learned, lessons learned, how I felt unappreciated, how I felt. And this is where I think people again miss the point that when stuff comes into our lives, it doesn’t sit well. It’s happening for a reason. Yeah. And and it’s not failure, and it’s not a waste of time if we’re allowing it to shape us in a positive way. And if it’s shaping the way we see the world and shaping our values and helping us decide more and more, who do I wanna be? How do I wanna show up? How do I want to lead? It’s one of the questions I ask my leaders. I’m a leadership business coach.

Eric Deschamps:
I work with leaders all the time, have for years. And one of my favorite, parts of any engagement with a client is what kind of leader do you wanna be and helping them figure that out. Right? And you that’s what you’ve been doing.

Lianne:
Yeah. And I and I I love my team. Yeah. I think we’ve got a really great team. We are we are punching way above our weight right now.

Eric Deschamps:
We are That’s great.

Lianne:
We’ve we’ve been exceeding goals. Like, it it has just been an incredible place. But I’m very lucky because I also realized, like, the Ottawa Heart Institute is world renowned cardiac care center.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
The, like, I I inherited something that it just I can be so proud of. It is so, you know, well respected. I I inherited a brand that I’m so proud to represent Yeah. Which is different than some other and other charities as well. So and it’s something that I feel like I have a mission and a purpose. Like, when I think of it, 80% of heart disease is preventable with physical activity and Wow. Diet. Yeah.

Lianne:
You know, quitting smoking, you know, watching your blood pressure, diabetes. Like, there are so many things, and so a lot of my health and wellness is I don’t need to for me, it’s not about asking for money. I mean, I’m in a world of philanthropy. I don’t consider myself a fundraiser. But what if I were to be able to help people

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
And not ask for money? But at the end of the day, when people feel like they’ve been helped and that there’s a purpose and stuff, then they’re they wanna give. Right.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. So They open up their wallets.

Lianne:
So you kinda change the the mindset. And so for me, it’s prevention and wellness. And there’s so much re remarkable, research things being done. There the advancements in it are so awesome. Like, I look at our researchers and our scientists right now, and I’m just like, oh my god. This is so cool. I can’t wait to tell people about it. Yeah.

Lianne:
And so the storytelling comes into play. And then the patient’s stories coming It’s it. It all comes full circle.

Kate Beere:
So I

Lianne:
feel like I go into work excited that I that I get to do this. And I’m so grateful that, to myself that I have, since I was a child, been a the ability to, like, adapt and to be coachable and to learn and to constantly shift and change. Like Yeah. And do you think a

Kate Beere:
lot of that came from, like, competing young? Do you think that mindset piece is, like, attributes to that?

Lianne:
I think it’s, fully. Yeah. Like, I was 6 years old when I was starting in a sport, and in a sport that’s very individual. Right. So Yeah. There’s a and I have an appreciation for both individual sports and team sports. My husband and I come from 2 different sides. So at the dinner table, like, sometimes it’s heated arguments.

Lianne:
But I had to learn very young that what I put in is what I was gonna get out. And and when I succeeded, it was my success. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
And when I failed, it was my failure.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
Whereas I think in other environments, you can still have a bad game, but the team wins, or you could have had a great game. And Right. Like, there’s lots of things. So it was from a very young age. I knew what I was gonna put in, it was what I was gonna get out of it. And I had a lot of things I had to go through as a gymnast. I I went through a a time when I had to work with sports psychologists because I ended up with the block. Simone Biles went through this at the Olympics.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah?

Lianne:
But I know and I I listened to it, and I’m like, oh, I’ve been there. Like, I know it so well, but I couldn’t go backwards. So imagine being a gymnast. I was about at that age. It was 11. I was kind of in that program where I was probably gonna be, like, on the Olympic bound Wow. Yeah. Path.

Lianne:
Yeah. And I think at that point, again, my body or my mind, it just I don’t think I was ready. Mhmm. And so I ended up with this block that I couldn’t go backwards. So imagine being a gymnast and not being able to go. Like, I would go halfway and then stop midair. Wow. Even though I would You couldn’t go back.

Lianne:
I could not go backwards. Like, I could not go through the process of going backwards, but I would be going full speed at something and then stop halfway. I’m not sure if

Eric Deschamps:
I can

Lianne:
go backwards. And then crash. It, like so, yeah, it was really bad. Yeah. Like, and I was and I had to like, it was to the point where it was dangerous, and so we had to like, I had to stop, and I had to call it. And but I knew I wanted it. And so I was like, how am I gonna get from a to b? And so we start working with the sports psychologist, which was Terry Orr, like, who’s a really Yeah. Unfortunately, he’s passed, but a really remarkable man.

Lianne:
And I had to start from scratch.

Eric Deschamps:
Mhmm.

Lianne:
So I started from scratch. I started with rules. Like, I had to go backwards all the way to the beginning and relearn everything Yeah. And relearn with a little kind of, like, brain like, I had a visualization something Yeah. That to the day until I retired, I had to use every single time I went backwards. Like, I I I was able to then do it in a split second Yeah. But it was something that I had to train. And so it was even going to bed at night as a 12 year old having to do visualization in my head of okay.

Lianne:
I have to do 10 successful passes in my head. Yeah. But even in my head, I would block. Right. So then it’s like I had to start from 0, and I was able to train myself. And I think on the nights when I was trying to figure out if I was gonna quit my job or, like and those moments of fear, I started with visualization. Yeah. And I think visualization is key.

Lianne:
Like, I had to visualize where I was gonna be and success, and I had to see myself in a different way. Yeah. And I would visualize myself. I didn’t know what it was. Like, I could see myself in it, but I knew it was safe, and I knew I was happy. And so I would just visualize that.

Eric Deschamps:
So, I mean, that mindset work. I mean, think about, most people, don’t understand the power of mindset. I think the average individual doesn’t understand it. And so we are we are, literally a prisoner to our own thoughts, our own emotions, our own feelings, and many of us end up many folks end up in what I call the victim mindset. Right? You at a very young age, through a series of circumstance, you had to learn to train your mind, take control more control of that process, and saw the the the, like, how how malleable the the brain is and how powerful when you can change the way you think about something, it shows up everywhere else. Where else has that shown up significantly in your life in terms of the mindset work? You talked about the work that you’ve done, the meditation work. You talked about, the the great book, The Untethered Soul. It took me a moment there.

Eric Deschamps:
I just lost it, but it’s one of my favorites. But where else has that mindset work, shown up for you? And what are what are some what what’s some advice you might give some of our listeners on the importance of it and some tips they might they might follow?

Lianne:
You know, it’s I I’ve tried to, like, talk to friends about what the what meditation has done. I’ve also I I don’t know if it was also through COVID, but the energy that the energy work, and I I’m not, like, into it, but I do believe that you are when you are around people, you either know that it’s the right energy or the wrong energy. 100%. Yeah. You know? And so, like, there’s there’s decisions that I’ve made of kind of, like, pulling back from certain things or realizing I might not know this environment, but I know it’s the right I I’m gravitated or I’m pulled towards it. And so to kinda be able to trust in that. But there would be friends that I would talk about going through this process with or what meditation has done, and some of them looked at me like, yeah. Yeah.

Lianne:
And whatever.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah. We get it.

Lianne:
Nope. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Uh-huh. We get it.

Lianne:
And then others, like, it it really it was a really in it was an essential part. But, like, I tell people because everyone’s like, I can’t do it. Right. And I’m like, I started literally with 2 minutes a day. Right. And I would sit in those 2 minutes and go, I can’t believe I’m sitting here for 2 minutes, sitting in this position, like and, like, what isn’t? But, like, the like, I’m like, okay. I’m gonna sit here for 2 minutes, and I’m gonna pretend that I’m deep breathing or whatever, and then I would do 2 minutes.

Eric Deschamps:
I love that. I get I gotta think

Lianne:
I’ll wait through this. Through it, and I would do it. But then but, like but because of that mindset or that athletic thing, like, it’s a checklist. Right? And I’m like, to the next day, I would sit for 2 minutes. Yep. And then 2 minutes, I was like, okay. After a couple weeks, and then I would sit for 5 minutes. Yeah.

Lianne:
And then after and then all of a sudden, I was looking forward to sitting for 5 minutes. And then all of a sudden, there was, like, a 32nd window in that 5 minutes.

Kate Beere:
That’s right. Yeah.

Lianne:
It was like a small window where I was like, oh Oh. There’s a, like, there’s a there’s a free Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
But you

Lianne:
know what? Like, it it wasn’t a magical you sit down to meditate, and voila. Your life is all, you know, unicorns and rainbows. Like, there were small, little, tiny snippets that you would feel for a second.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
And it’s like, I want more of that. Yeah. And it’s like and so it’s training. It was really training the mind. But my kids called it, mom’s going to do her meds.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh my god. Kids. I think if we actually called it that more, like, everybody wanna do it. So, like, it sharing your meds?

Lianne:
Yes. It was like and it became a joke, but mom’s going to do her meds. And it wasn’t until I realized that Tony and the kids had, like, verbally expressed that they had seen a change in

Eric Deschamps:
me,

Lianne:
that they saw a change from the doubt dark cloud that I was under with the role I had been playing, and that I didn’t even realize how dark of a cloud I was under. And it was them, I think, that really reinforced. You don’t even know the transition that we’ve been watching you make.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
And so that I think has been the the biggest thing is is coming out of this cloud. And I will say and I think this is something because you’re so much into leadership and and entrepreneurial and and this kind of thing. Like, working in television, I really felt and this is where ego comes back into play. And I’m not proud of this. But I always thought that we knew we were in the know of everything. Right. Every new author or book or chef

Eric Deschamps:
or restaurant. Announcing.

Lianne:
We were Yeah. We were it. Right? So I always felt like I was in the know of, like, everyone. Like, we were the it place to be. Right. And when I left and when the the the dark clouds started to, like, disappear, and I could see sunshine, and I could see, I was, like, so embarrassed. Like, so embarrassed because I looked around, and I’m like, oh my goodness. There’s an entire world out here

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
That I had no idea existed. Right. The entrepreneurials, like, the the the businesses, the Yeah. There was so much happening that they didn’t require validation on television or to have to be interviewed. Like, they were doing amazing things

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
And helping people and successful and, like, the amount of, like, brilliant millionaires that are in this, like but are so hidden and just stay that way. I was like, oh my god. There is this world out here that I have never that I never knew existed, and I was embarrassed and then also excited. Yeah. Because I was like, there are really interesting people out here that I had no idea existed.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
And that process was, like, so exciting That’s to be part of.

Kate Beere:
Well, I can only imagine. I love hearing, like, just that, you know, your girls are like, oh, mom’s going to do

Lianne:
her meds. Mom’s doing her meds.

Eric Deschamps:
Doing your meds. But it’s okay.

Kate Beere:
But I I love that because they’re they’re watching the change in you, and that has impact. And I can only imagine, like, knowing you and your family. Like, health and wellness is such a big part of your family. What’s, like, one major win you hope you get with your girls that they can take away? And I know that’s a lot because I’m we’re all parents here. So, like, one win, but

Lianne:
yeah. I think I am so proud that my girls saw me be in a certain level, make the choice to leave, saw me struggle of, like, the who am I, what am I doing, and rebuilds into something that they’re we’re more proud of.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Lianne:
That I’m doing. Like, for them, like, the TV thing was one thing, but they’re so proud of what I’m what I’ve done. And I think the lessons that I’ve taught them Yeah. About perseverance and about having to put in the work, about putting myself, and I and I think I do this with a lot of women more than men. Like, we are not being selfish when we are doing things to be better for ourselves because I think as a as the happier we are as women that take care of ourselves

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
That take the time to do self care Yeah. That go to the gym Yes. That say, I’m out for an hour, guys, because I gotta go Yes. I gotta go, like, nourish me so that I can nourish the family. Yeah. And that is a key thing. And my kids know that it’s something that they will inherit and that they will do for their families. That they know mom’s going to the gym for an hour because if I don’t, I’m gonna be a total bitch.

Lianne:
Yeah. And because Yeah. My endorphin like, I I crave the endorphins. I am a better employee. I’m a like and I tell my staff. Yeah. And that is like I when you talk about leadership, I’m like, block your calendars off, everyone. I want you to take an hour.

Lianne:
I need you to do a walk. I want you to go do this. If you have something to do, like, I think you’re a better I think you will do better work

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
Having done something or gone for a walk or cleared your head or had a sweat. I would much prefer you tell me that that’s what you’re doing than you sitting at your desk, twiddling your thumbs because you think you need to be on standby in case I call on Teams and you need to be there. I would rather you send me a note being, like, I’m offline for an hour heading to do the heading to the gym, heading to do a walk. Right. I’ll be back an hour because I know they’re coming back.

Eric Deschamps:
Better.

Lianne:
Better. Better. Better. And more productive. Yeah. And I tell people this all the time, and I’m like, it’s scientifically proven. I don’t know why I don’t know why people don’t embrace this.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. It’s well, I think it’s an old mindset. Right?

Lianne:
That that

Eric Deschamps:
we have You

Lianne:
gotta be there. You gotta put in the hours. I’m like, I

Eric Deschamps:
You can. But, like, how what kind of hours are you putting in? Like, I I come from a a very religious background. I spent many, many years in that world where self sacrifice, putting others first, service, and all that was very very strong to the point where self didn’t even make the the radar. Oh. 3 burnouts later explains the the the program that I was living according to. But I believe now that actually self care is the least selfish thing that a person can do because then you show up better in instead of showing up as, like, an empty vessel or, like, running on fumes, you’re showing up more fully at work. You’re showing up more fully in your marriage, more fully in your relationships, more fully with your kids. So it’s actually it’s an act of love to care for yourself, an act of love for others to care for yourself because they’ll see the difference.

Lianne:
Well, they do. Yeah. And I’m more proud now when I see the girls go to the gym.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. But Do

Lianne:
you know what I mean? Like, that they saw them, 1960.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh, yeah.

Lianne:
So Great age. You know, like, it it’s and I just I feel I’m proud of the example that I set. I I feel like I’ve given them Yeah. I don’t know.

Kate Beere:
Well, and I

Lianne:
think what it is.

Kate Beere:
You, you know, we talk you talked touched on it, but, like, giving women permission, women giving women permission to take time out. We’ve talked about it a lot on the show how the pressures that women feel to keep it all together, keep the house going, working, trying to squeeze it all in. And and we’re natural caregivers, and we wanna take care, but we almost always don’t take care of ourselves

Lianne:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
And if we don’t fill that cup first. So I think, you know, empowering women to really carve out that time. Men need it too, but I think women tend not to take it. It needs

Lianne:
to be blocked. It needs to be booked like an appointment. Like, it needs to be booked like anything else. But I will also say and and I have watched you and like, there’s a difference too when you do have a partner that is a true partner Yeah. That is that takes the load off and that says, you do this. Or where there’s, like, a partnership that’s like, this is what you need. This is what I need. Yeah.

Lianne:
And and and I think having had Tony through this process is Yeah. I can’t say, no. Hey. Like, pat me on the shoulder. I’ll do all that. You know? But but that that to have somebody that’s

Eric Deschamps:
like team effort.

Lianne:
This was a this was a team effort, and this was Tony also staying very quiet for 2 years while I figured it out without the pressure of, you need to go find a job. You need to do this. Like, it was like Yeah. That’s He’s like he had such belief in my abilities Yeah. That he’s like, I’m gonna watch you figure this out and soar. And and I’m grateful for that because I don’t think not everybody would have had that. They would have had the pressure of, you know, well Yeah. Go go get a job.

Lianne:
Go figure this out. So I I really attribute a lot of that and the fact that for 10 years, he had the girls in the morning. Right.

Eric Deschamps:
Do you

Lianne:
know what it would be? Like, I would my favorite part of the day was to show up at school at 3 and see what on earth my kids look like.

Eric Deschamps:
Because look like today.

Lianne:
Oh my god.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh my god.

Lianne:
It was just like, how did they leave the house Yeah. Looking like this? You know? And, like, I I give them full credit that they even got

Eric Deschamps:
to school.

Lianne:
So

Kate Beere:
Well, we talk a lot on the show about community and having support and how that support system matters

Eric Deschamps:
So big.

Kate Beere:
So much. As we

Lianne:
wrap

Kate Beere:
up Mhmm. We ask all our guests this show. Yeah. No. All our guests this question on the show. Wow. What does living richly mean to you?

Lianne:
Oh, God. Like, it’s funny because had you asked me that question 10 years ago, 15 years, it’s it’s constantly evolving. I think my answer is is a fluid it’s a fluid answer. For me, living richly right now is, is is feeling aligned that I that I get up and I feel aligned in in what I’m doing more so than anything. Like I’m Oh my gosh. Okay. I’m going through perimenopause right now.

Kate Beere:
I’m I’m in it with you.

Lianne:
So as soon as you’re talking about it all the time, you’re talking about. Would be like, please just let me feel normal. Like so but I I think being aligned, and, I like who I am right now. I’m I have, like, in a couple of weeks I like, actually, in a week and a bit, I have my 49th birthday.

Eric Deschamps:
Mhmm.

Lianne:
So I’m like, okay. Let’s just get 49 done with. Yeah. My whole purpose is that by 50, I want to feel like I am in, like, I am at my prime of feeling who I’m meant to be. Yeah. That I’m comfortable and confident and like who I am and like the people around me. And I’m comfortable in the smaller group of people that are around me because it’s so much more important than like, I’m looking at that going I’m just trying to every day be a better version of myself.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Lianne:
And so I when I say alignment, it’s like that I’m I’m getting up in the morning aligned to be that best version of myself Yeah. Physically, mentally, been my surroundings. Yeah. That would probably be my I love you.

Kate Beere:
Love you.

Lianne:
And then I feel like at the end of it, the richly will find its way. Yeah. Like, the things that I dream about or want or envision will they’re all they’re down this path because it’s aligned.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. I love it. Love it. We talk so much about alignment on the show.

Kate Beere:
Always. Thank you so much for your help. That was awesome. Thank you.

Eric Deschamps:
So great to have you. I’m gonna put you on the spot one last time. Okay. Last question. So, before we wrap up, you have one word of advice for our listeners about following their heart and doing and living on purpose. What what would you say to them?

Lianne:
Based on the opportunities that have been given to me, I mentioned being coachable.

Eric Deschamps:
Mhmm.

Lianne:
I think that but I think you need to attack everything and every opportunity given to you as though it’s almost like you’re auditioning. Like, you’re you’re you’re constantly auditioning to be, that to that next role or that next thing. Like, I think people often, I see that people are don’t wanna put in the work.

Eric Deschamps:
Mhmm.

Lianne:
And and I’m sorry, but if you’re not gonna put in the work, then you don’t deserve to to be able to enjoy what comes afterwards. I think put in like, don’t be afraid to put in the hard work. Yeah. It is so much more rewarding Yeah. When you do. Yeah. And so that would be my advice is is be open to change Yeah. Which is so hard on Yeah.

Lianne:
Any level change. Be open, but but seek out those that are gonna help you do it the best way possible and and be coachable, and then do the work.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Love it. Love it. Great advice. Thank you so much for being on the show today. And to all our listeners, thanks for tuning in again. We appreciate your support on ongoing basis, and we encourage you to like, share, subscribe. Let’s get the Living Richly mess message out there.

Eric Deschamps:
We also encourage you to go to our website, living richly dot me, where you can find great information about the Living Rich Lee Nation, which is our private, exclusive Facebook group, growing community of like minded people. They’re on this path of living their best life. And, also, you’ll find information about the 15 day life vision challenge, which is all about figuring out who you are and what you stand for, and living life on purpose. It’s a free online experience that hundreds of people have taken already and are giving rave reviews about. So we encourage you to participate in that. Until next week, when we see you again, get out there and live your best life.

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