Kick off 2025 with Episode 103 of The Living Richly Podcast: “Beyond Resolutions – Setting Your Course for the New Year.” Join Eric, Kate, Rob, and Wendy as they explore why most resolutions fail and offer a more thoughtful approach to starting the year. Discover how to create flexible, values-driven goals that inspire progress without burnout. Highlights include treating January as a practice month, building momentum with micro habits, and adopting quarterly themes for a balanced, adaptable strategy.
Don’t let another year slip by chasing unrealistic goals or quick fixes. Instead, gain practical tools to focus on steady, sustainable growth and lasting success. Start your year with clarity, purpose, and a plan that works for you. Tune in now and take the first step toward a richer, more fulfilling 2025!
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Episode 103 Transcript
Beyond Resolutions – Setting Your Course for the New Year Part 1
Kate Beere [00:00:00]:
Start small. Yep. Don’t try and boil the ocean as we sometimes try to do. And just do do 1 or 2 things a week that your future self is gonna thank yourself for.
Rob Dale [00:00:09]:
And so when we lean into our values, our themes the themes that we need to focus on will probably come quite naturally. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:00:16]:
Hope is a terrible business strategy, and I think it’s the same in the realm of personal change and transformation.
Wendy Dale [00:00:21]:
And that kinda ties into just making sure that you’re focusing on showing up versus showing up perfectly.
Rob Dale [00:00:36]:
Welcome everyone to the Living Richly podcast. We’re so glad that you’ve joined us again. It feels like a long time since the 4 of us have sat down, for a conversation, but I’m really looking forward to today’s show. Obviously, this episode for this year anyway will be dropping on January 1st, very first episode of the new year. And, of course, that’s the time of year everyone’s thinking resolutions, making changes to our lives. And, our goal over the next couple of conversations is to provide the nation with some really great advice on how they can perhaps set themselves up differently this year, than how most of us. As a matter of fact, I think you were kidding around that by the time we shoot the second one or the second
Rob Dale [00:01:14]:
episode have already failed. They’ve already failed. Right? Well and there is that notion of whatever it is by January 18th, I I think is what the actual kind of the stats say is that most people Blue Monday. Blue Monday. Yeah. They’ve failed at all of their resolutions, and they’ve given up for the year.
Rob Dale [00:01:29]:
That’s right. It’s like, wow. That’s right. It’s like so so I guess what we’re wanting to say is Don’t don’t do it that way. Right? Like, there are better ways to do this. But let’s start off with this whole notion of trying to make sweeping changes to your life, versus steady, eddy progress, small incremental changes that are more sustainable. What do you what do you guys think about that?
Kate Beere [00:01:49]:
Yeah. I mean, I think it’s so often we go into the new year with this big grandiose umbrella statement. Like, I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m gonna get fit. And it’s a that’s great. That’s, like, a very big umbrella statement. We don’t get clear on the kind of the how we’re gonna
Wendy Dale [00:02:04]:
do that.
Kate Beere [00:02:05]:
Right? So then we go all in, and, like, we’re like, I’m gonna get a gym membership, and I’m gonna go. Right? And then it’s like you’re you’re trying to do so much so quickly. Right? You’re like, you’re in there. You’re trying everything. It’s almost like the analogy I like to use is, like, you’re running a marathon, and you start it by sprinting. Like, you’re never gonna get past January 18th when you do that. You’re just not gonna see results. And what we know is to build a successful habit is, like, 66 days.
Kate Beere [00:02:31]:
So that goes far beyond blue Monday too if you think about that 3 weeks in. So it’s important, I think, to have tangible goals that are more realistic. Maybe, like, I can go for a 15 minute walk 3 days in a week. Like, just give yourself something that you can build on versus this big broad statement that just feels overwhelming. You’re almost setting yourself up for failure.
Wendy Dale [00:02:53]:
Yeah. Yeah. I’ll add I’ll add into that that, progress, it’s not about speed. It’s about the direction that you’re going in. And and people ask me all the time, like, how do you stay motivated? And and motivation is a byproduct of being consistent.
Rob Dale [00:03:19]:
Successful.
Rob Dale [00:03:20]:
Yeah. What do
Rob Dale [00:03:21]:
you think?
Eric Deschamps [00:03:21]:
Well, I think it’s a lot like business. Right? I mean, we work with a lot of business leaders and owners in our coaching business, and there’s actually research behind this. There’s a, I think it was studied by McKinsey that said, that companies that aim for, like, 10 to 20 5% growth year over year tend to be far more profitable than companies that go after, like, record breaking profits over a short period of time that they can’t sustain. And you and I have seen it time and time again. I mean, let’s face it. A lot of leaders, a lot of companies are playing well, way below their potential, but, we encourage that that incremental step by step growth that you can actually sustain over time because fast growth can actually lead to all kinds of problems and can lead to actually cause a company to implode.
Rob Dale [00:04:03]:
Well And
Rob Dale [00:04:04]:
I think it’s the same for personal goals.
Kate Beere [00:04:05]:
Yeah. I
Rob Dale [00:04:06]:
agree. Using fitness, for example, like, a lot of people, they lose weight fast.
Kate Beere [00:04:10]:
Right.
Rob Dale [00:04:11]:
But what happens 9 times out of 10 is they gain back even more than what they lost originally. Now I don’t I I think there is a bit of a both end on on this one because I think you can do sometimes jump in with that big audacious goal and kinda go at it. One of the things Wendy and I like to do is is a program 75 hard. It is freaking intense. It’s it’s it’s big. Right? 2 45 minute workouts a day, all of that. But we’ve already set the foundation, because we’re consistently going to the gym and doing that stuff, that you’re able to then jump in and do something major. So I think for somebody to set a big goal, as long as it’s building on habits they’ve already formed, I wouldn’t want some I would never recommend a program like 75 hard to somebody who has literally been sitting on the couch for the last 3 years and says, I need to get in shape.
Rob Dale [00:05:00]:
I’m gonna do this program to get in shape. You’re probably gonna gonna fail within a few days because there’s so much in in a program like that. Even there, at the end of it, you’re tired. And we just came off of doing a a the challenge, And sure enough, we go through a week where we’re almost kinda going the opposite direction. Right. Right. We’re making up for 75 days.
Rob Dale [00:05:20]:
So I was with you on your first day where you were breaking again, and I think in one day, you undid 75 days of not breaking up. Not breaking up. My side. It was quite epic. We were in California meeting some new people for the first time, and even the Australians were impressed.
Rob Dale [00:05:33]:
Yeah. Yeah. We we we, we we set the bar high for the bar high. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:05:39]:
They were like, you Canadians, I tell you. You can really so I guess what we’re saying is this year, if there’s some advice we give you right off the bat is skip the sprint, steady wins the race. Like, it’s better to make I love actually the analogy of if you’ve got an established framework of habits and and structure in your life to support taking that to the next level, then go for it. If you’re trying to build a new habit, do something that’s not been part of your routine, then you’re probably better to start small. Let let’s talk about resolutions. I don’t think we need to spend a lot of time here, but, because I I think most people, if you tell them, do resolutions work? I think the vast majority of people say, no. They don’t. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:06:14]:
But but let’s talk about what’s wrong with traditional New Year’s resolutions.
Wendy Dale [00:06:18]:
I just think that they don’t account for mindset. They don’t account for the process. They focus more on the outcome. So I want to be this or have this or do this, but the process isn’t thought through Right. Or or, planned out. And and that’s just pattern of behavior.
Rob Dale [00:06:39]:
Right.
Wendy Dale [00:06:40]:
Because that kind of stuff will never stick if you’re not identifying what the actual process like, what’s your road map? What’s your GPS?
Rob Dale [00:06:46]:
Yeah. I love that. I’ve heard it said that, resolutions are like wishes without a blueprint. Right? Yeah. And we say it all the time in the realm of business. I tell my leaders all the time, well, I hope this is gonna happen next year. I I want this time. I’m like, hope is a terrible business strategy, and I think it’s the same in the realm of personal change and transformation.
Kate Beere [00:07:03]:
Yeah. I mean and I would add to that. I think they’re just too vague. I mean, I said this earlier. But if it’s too broad and it’s not specific enough, and if it’s not specific enough and tied to something you you think is achievable, then you’re you’re running on willpower. And willpower runs out apparently on January 18th.
Rob Dale [00:07:20]:
So I’m like, oh, no. That does. Well, and we talk we’ve had doctor Sherry on the show a number of times. He’s introduced us to You
Rob Dale [00:07:27]:
should have her back. It’s been a while.
Rob Dale [00:07:28]:
I think we should. Cognitive behavior therapy. Right? All of this notion of of all of our actions, all of our the the outcomes of what we do stem out of the beliefs that we have. Yeah. And I think that’s the biggest mistake with most resolutions. I would encourage people rather than set a resolution. I’m gonna lose £20. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:07:45]:
To set a resolution that says, I’m gonna start to believe I’m healthy.
Rob Dale [00:07:48]:
Right.
Rob Dale [00:07:49]:
Right. And to to to change beliefs. And if you change beliefs, outcomes will they’ll happen. Yeah. They will happen when you change the thinking and mindset as you talked about. And I think that’s where we miss it is we’re so focused on the outcome with a resolution, and we don’t have the path the the the the pathway to get there, but we also don’t even have the thinking and the beliefs that will help transform us into that.
Rob Dale [00:08:12]:
And let’s not forget that January is actually one of the worst times of the year to try to make big changes. Right? Days are shorter, at least for those of us here in Canada. Yep. Days are shorter. Energy is lower, and the winter blues can be a thing. Right? Can really slap your motivation.
Rob Dale [00:08:29]:
Unless you’re gonna set a resolution to sleep more.
Rob Dale [00:08:31]:
Well, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You’re winning. Like, you’re winning like day 1. You’re winning.
Wendy Dale [00:08:37]:
Sign me up.
Kate Beere [00:08:38]:
I’m gonna I’m gonna drink more.
Rob Dale [00:08:39]:
I’m gonna sleep more. Sleep more.
Rob Dale [00:08:42]:
I mean, like that. Oh my god. We just saw this whole issue.
Rob Dale [00:08:46]:
You heard it here first Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:08:48]:
On the Living Richly podcast. I’m gonna
Rob Dale [00:08:50]:
drink more.
Rob Dale [00:08:51]:
Pounds. Gave £20. Oh my god. The the other piece I though seriously, though, if we get back to, actually serious content, is the brain actually resists sudden change. It it, it sees it as almost as we again, the immunity to change work by Keegan and Leahy, highly recommend that as a resource to anyone who’s trying to Put
Rob Dale [00:09:13]:
it in the shoulder.
Rob Dale [00:09:13]:
Yeah. Seeking, like, genuine personal change and understanding that just like your body builds up an immunity, think of someone who’s just had a or is wanting to have an organ transplanted into their body, and they actually have to account for the fact that the body will see that new organ as an invading presence and will try to will try to, like, kill it. Right? Kill it off. Yeah. And they have to, you know, use drugs and everything else. We have the same resistance to change. So this idea of of of massive sweeping change in a short period of time, the brain just doesn’t really register that, and and and it makes it hard for us to to absorb it. Right?
Kate Beere [00:09:48]:
100%. 100%. That’s why it gets so overwhelming. That’s why you feel that sense of, like, that’s
Rob Dale [00:09:54]:
how it’s Wait. Can you do that again?
Kate Beere [00:09:56]:
I can’t.
Wendy Dale [00:09:56]:
I can slow motion, please. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:09:57]:
Here we go. I I can’t wait to see how the transcript comes in around That’s great. How they how you spell that.
Rob Dale [00:10:03]:
That’s how
Kate Beere [00:10:04]:
it feels in my body.
Wendy Dale [00:10:05]:
That’s Yeah. I’m gonna screenshot. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:10:06]:
I’m gonna screenshot that. Then there’s the couple more that came to mind for me is the all or nothing trap. Right? Yeah. That if I can’t come out of the gate strong, then my whole year is is over. Right? I’ve I I failed, and, how many posts did I see last year and I’ve seen for so many years, early in January, mid January, people start posting, well, I’ll try again next year. That we’re actually giving up on things that we actually want. Because I think what’s right about resolutions is the reflective part where we start thinking about what we want and the changes that we wanna make. It’s just in its application.
Rob Dale [00:10:40]:
I I think, and I’d say this. If your resolutions are based on just fixing what’s wrong instead of building on what’s strong. It’s a shame based, guilt based sort of thing. Like, I don’t like the way I look, so I’m gonna lose weight. Right? It’s it’s not gonna it’s not gonna be very motivating.
Rob Dale [00:10:58]:
Well, it’s hey. Listen. We we even talk about it in business. Right? You need to know what your why is. You need to know there’s gotta be something more compelling. You talk to a business owner. What’s your goal for this year? To make more money. Well Right.
Rob Dale [00:11:09]:
What what what what is that? Yeah. Right? And and you’ve gotta get and so even for somebody, you I wanna lose weight. Why do you wanna lose weight? Why does it matter? And if you can get into that more compelling reason, again, that’s when you start to move to the beliefs and you start to shift your thinking around things rather than just I need to lose this weight because I’m fat.
Rob Dale [00:11:29]:
Right.
Rob Dale [00:11:29]:
Well, to your point, that’s shame. And Yeah. And Yeah. At some point, you will just fail on that. Yep. 100%. That mindset is so critical.
Rob Dale [00:11:37]:
Yep. Yeah. The, the reality is too, before we move on to our next question, is I think a big, flaw in our traditional approach to making resolutions or setting resolutions. I haven’t done them in years. I don’t believe in them, but they’re still a big thing this time of year, and that’s why we’re having this conversation. They don’t account for real life challenges. Like, they don’t account for actual real life. They’re they tend to be set in concrete.
Rob Dale [00:11:58]:
They tend to be very rigid, and who knows what’s going to happen. We never know what’s gonna show up on our doorstep. And I think then people feel, not only are they perhaps facing some adversity or a very difficult challenge they hadn’t anticipated, but now they feel guilt that they’re not also meeting, the the grade of the that they were that we’re aiming for. Right?
Rob Dale [00:12:19]:
Yeah. Well, they set their expectations so high with most of these to your point that you’re you don’t give yourself any wiggle room for the unexpected.
Rob Dale [00:12:29]:
Right.
Rob Dale [00:12:29]:
And Yeah. Life is filled with unexpected.
Rob Dale [00:12:32]:
One thing that’s consistent is that life is inconsistent. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:12:35]:
And so if you’re not incorporating that into your your strategies and your plan for how you’re going to accomplish the things that you wanna, the changes you wanna make in your life, if you’re not if you’re not allowing for that and same in business. Right? We know that people have talked for years about IQ. We’ve talked often about EQ, your emotional intelligence, and what we discovered during COVID was the businesses that thrived and were successful during COVID had an adaptability quote.
Rob Dale [00:13:02]:
Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:13:02]:
They had an AQ. AQ. Yeah. And they were able to make those adjustments, make those shifts on the fly. Well, that’s just as true in our personal lives. If you really wanna be successful in making changes in your life, you better have a strong AQ, a strong adaptability quote. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:13:17]:
Well, let’s let’s take that further, because the the and and if we shift the language maybe from resolutions to intentions, intentions that I’m setting for my life this year. How could our listeners set intentions that are more flexible, adaptable, sustainable?
Kate Beere [00:13:33]:
Well, I I think you have to embrace the flexibility. Like, you have to be okay that it’s not gonna it’s not gonna roll out exactly as you intended, exactly what you guys just talked about. Life comes at you from all different angles all the time. So if you have it set in stone, I keep using the gym. It’s a very common one. I’m going to gym 5 days a week, and all of a sudden you can’t go on Friday because your daughter’s sick or whatever. And then you use that as a reason to be like, okay. Well, I’m done.
Kate Beere [00:13:56]:
Right? We’re all kinda searching for excuses at times. You have to be flexible. And I think if you’re flexible, I think that’s when you’re you’re intelligently adapting. And I think when you look at it that way, it’s like, oh, okay. This is just me needing to adapt and be flexible around my intention. You can shift your intention. It doesn’t have to stay so fixed because life is not fixed. And that’s where I think it gets unrealistic, and I think that’s when we always fall down.
Rob Dale [00:14:24]:
Yep.
Wendy Dale [00:14:24]:
One word that I love that’s kinda tied into what you said is the word pivot. Mhmm. So learning how to pivot where, you know, we have it in our heads on how it’s supposed to be and how it’s supposed to go. Not that having a vision in your head isn’t important, but I think we get really tied to, if it doesn’t go this way, then I failed, and I’m doing everything wrong. And so how do we learn how to pivot? And also recognize that everything that we see online is typically not what’s happening in real life.
Kate Beere [00:14:55]:
A 100%.
Rob Dale [00:14:55]:
Right. Right. Right. Well, we’re seeing people’s highlight reel.
Rob Dale [00:14:58]:
Yeah. Of course.
Rob Dale [00:14:58]:
We’re not seeing their real life.
Kate Beere [00:15:00]:
No. We never do.
Rob Dale [00:15:01]:
The, and I I another part of this, and we’ve talked about it so often in the show, is the notion of radical self acceptance. When when you show compassion and love for yourself, when you don’t go to the gym on the Friday using the example. Right? Here’s what often happens. Oh, I messed up. Now I’m out of rhythm. I might as well order a double, you know, a pizza and, you know, I don’t know how dairy could be eaten. Right? But but that’s what we do. We end up just I failed.
Rob Dale [00:15:27]:
I might as well just go extreme rather than just say it because I like pizza. What I’m saying. But that’s a different reason. It’s intentions. It’s that’s all as a heads up. Right? But but we we heap on the guilt, and then we’re like, we might as well just, you know, give up completely. Yep. Radical self acceptance says, hey.
Rob Dale [00:15:43]:
You know what? You missed the mark today. Tomorrow’s a new
Rob Dale [00:15:46]:
day. Right.
Rob Dale [00:15:47]:
Right. Able to move forward from that without all of the guilt and the shame that comes from that the self talk, the negative self talk.
Rob Dale [00:15:53]:
I think the intentions themselves are in many ways, like, we’re setting a vision for our lives. What do I want my life to look like in 2025, for example? Right? And we’re we’re we’re identifying areas of our life that we wanna shift, we wanna change, we wanna improve. No different than a company needs to have a vision of what it’s becoming. I often, challenge my clients to say, like, what does the business look like in 3 to 5 years? What do you and they usually come back with what sounds like a mission statement. What we exist to I said, no. No. No. That’s not what I’m asking.
Rob Dale [00:16:24]:
I’m not asking why you get out of bed in the morning to do what you do. That’s your mission. I’m asking about what are you becoming? What’s that vision for your business in 3 to 5 years? How many markets are you gonna be in? How many staff are you gonna have? How many locations? What kind of revenue you’re driving? How are your products and services morphing and changing and evolving. That’s vision. It’s creating a picture, and I think that’s what those intentions do. But even in the world of business, even though I encourage, get get that 3 to 5 to 10 year view of where you’re going, Make your plans a lot more short short term, like, for the next year, let’s say. Right? And practice adaptive goal setting that you set goals that are, you know, the their outcome is to achieve that vision. But they’re they they take into account changing markets, think I have one client right now.
Rob Dale [00:17:10]:
They, for the first time ever in their history, they’ve seen a major downturn in their final quarter. Well, that wasn’t in their business plan. This was a market conditions that have led to this. It was beyond their control. So they’re having to adapt their plan significantly. And I remember one of the owners saying, I feel like we failed our people. And we had a big conversation about that, right, about how that language is so disempowering. But I think we do that in our lives when we don’t adapt to what’s happening in our lives.
Rob Dale [00:17:37]:
Adaptive goal setting is you set the goal. You learn from what’s happening and you tweak it.
Rob Dale [00:17:41]:
I well, I love that language, and I’ve not heard you share it before using that exact phrase. Immediately the visual that came to mind was how a lot of newer cars, so they have adaptive cruise control.
Rob Dale [00:17:52]:
Right? I have that. Right.
Rob Dale [00:17:53]:
It’s a yeah. Phenomenal. Right. Yeah.
Kate Beere [00:17:55]:
But Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:17:55]:
No. It’s I’m like, they’re not driving the car. Yeah. Yeah. It’ll even break. It stops hard anyway. And that’s the beauty of it is that you set it at, let’s say, a 100 kilometers an hour. Right? You’re setting that thing, but then all of a sudden traffic, unexpected things happen.
Rob Dale [00:18:09]:
Yep. And what does the adaptive cruise control automatically slows it down and gets it keeps your pace moving at to fit the circumstances that you’re that you’re in. So I
Rob Dale [00:18:20]:
I agree with that cruise. I love that analogy. It it will slow down the traffic ahead of you, but sometimes if you’re not paying attention, all of a sudden someone who’s driving slower is setting your pace.
Rob Dale [00:18:29]:
Yes.
Rob Dale [00:18:30]:
So in adaptive goal setting, make sure you don’t fall into somebody else’s
Rob Dale [00:18:33]:
Love that.
Rob Dale [00:18:34]:
Pace. Make sure all you need to do to break that is just change lanes, and you’re back up to
Rob Dale [00:18:38]:
your own. Episode that we can do just on adaptive goal setting.
Rob Dale [00:18:41]:
We adaptive goal well
Kate Beere [00:18:43]:
I I’m super Still stuck on the
Wendy Dale [00:18:46]:
Okay. Let me I’m still stuck on the cruise control. Right.
Rob Dale [00:18:49]:
I know. It’s crazy.
Wendy Dale [00:18:50]:
Cruise What
Rob Dale [00:18:50]:
is this? What is this big? What is this technology called cruise control? Wendy drives, she’s never really behind anyone. I’ve heard. I’ve heard.
Rob Dale [00:19:00]:
Yeah. There’s an entire, Facebook group of Yes. About Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:19:03]:
Driving. To it.
Rob Dale [00:19:04]:
And moving on to the next one. What would you guys say to someone? I referred to it earlier. You know, you come out of the gates. You you you mess up. You don’t quite make the grade of what you were trying to achieve with your resolution, and now you feel like your whole year is ruined, because you’ve not stuck to your plan. What would you say to people who
Rob Dale [00:19:22]:
are thinking I first thing I would say is, again, January 1st is such an arbitrary number. Right? We use it just because, well, it’s the start of a new year and it’s the start of a new month. Well, if we wanna use that argument, guess what? There’s a January 31st and a February 1st. Is there really? There really is. I I looked it up.
Kate Beere [00:19:40]:
But there but there really isn’t a February 31st.
Rob Dale [00:19:43]:
No. January 30th.
Kate Beere [00:19:44]:
Oh, I heard February
Rob Dale [00:19:45]:
I swear you
Rob Dale [00:19:46]:
said. I
Kate Beere [00:19:46]:
was like
Rob Dale [00:19:47]:
February 1st. Tired. Right? And and so the reality is is that you if you wanna use arbitrary dates, there’s a there’s another set date, a reset date every month. So if you drop the ball in January, hey, guess what? February 1st is just around the corner. Yep. And then March 1st is around the corner. And and have that mindset of being able to say, I can set any date as a start date.
Kate Beere [00:20:11]:
Yeah. And I I think to build on that, you can talk yourself out of any start date. Like, I I think sense. I think we put January, January, January, and it’s like, oh, it’s so much pressure. And then it’s like, you’re you’ll like, we’re wired to find a reason to not follow through. Right? Just be to talk ourselves out of it. Whether we know it or not, it’s happening. So whether it’s January 1st or February 31st, and you’re
Rob Dale [00:20:35]:
I’m talking to myself out of it. Yeah.
Kate Beere [00:20:36]:
But you you
Rob Dale [00:20:37]:
That’s the leap, leap, leap, leap, leap, leap year. Triple leap leap year.
Kate Beere [00:20:41]:
Yeah. Your mind will believe what you tell it.
Rob Dale [00:20:43]:
100%. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:20:44]:
100%. To that point, how many times do you have somebody in fitness, right, where they say, okay. I’m gonna start. I’m gonna get I wanna get healthy, but I got 3 parties coming up. So I’m gonna start on this date. Right? Right? Why not now? Why not today? Well, I’ll start on this date.
Kate Beere [00:20:58]:
Always a reason.
Rob Dale [00:20:58]:
There’s always a reason.
Wendy Dale [00:20:59]:
Yeah. And that kinda ties into just making sure that you’re focusing on showing up versus showing up perfectly. So, you know, those those those two things are very, very different. Progress over perfection.
Rob Dale [00:21:13]:
Yeah. I love that. It’s a momentum is should be our our goal, not not sticking to our plan fully. I think this whole thing of, you know, I’ve I’ve wrecked my year, see you next year. I think it’s a bullshit excuse that we use, to keep next yearing our transformation and living our full potential to your point. You can pick any time, any day. Every day is a new day. Right? Leave yesterday and yesterday, and today is a fresh new day.
Rob Dale [00:21:39]:
We can start fresh. But this notion, again, I think of resolution sets people up for this unrealistic expectation that just doesn’t work. We are in a marathon, not a sprint. In a in a sprint, if you’re running the 100 meter and you mess up coming out of the gate, if you fuck up the start, you’re done. You lose like, there’s there’s not enough time typically, to recover. But in a marathon, you can stumble, several times during the race. It’s not again, it’s that steady momentum just keeps showing up every day. And if you fall down, get back up into
Rob Dale [00:22:10]:
the saddle. In a marathon, the people who start out strong are rarely the ones who who win. Right. You always see the the the winner of the marathon is usually somebody who’s back in the pack for 3 quarters of the race. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:22:23]:
Well well, let’s go deeper on this because as we were preparing for this show and I was really wanting to give our listeners different approaches, different lenses to look at this time of year through, I came across this whole idea of using January as a practice month. Right? It’s sort of like your warm up month for 2025 as opposed to putting all your eggs in the basket of, I better get it right in January or else I failed my year. It’s like your warm up. Just like when you go to the gym and you we’ve been talking a lot about that. Obviously, it’s on our minds.
Kate Beere [00:22:51]:
I I love it. Like, I always like I’m like, such a great way to look at it. It almost, like, immediately just takes all the pressure off. You’re like, okay. I’m gonna try something. So we’re using fitness a lot because it’s 1, but, like, let’s say you’re you wanna get more fit. There’s your umbrella statement. Okay.
Kate Beere [00:23:05]:
Now I’m gonna try some stuff. Maybe I’m gonna try yoga. Maybe I I don’t know. I’m just gonna go walk outside, but you get to try some some different and get a feel for what is aligned to what makes you happy. Right? So if you can find a connection that that brings you joy, then you’re more likely to do it. You don’t wanna go, like, I this I’m not a yoga human. I don’t like yoga. It’s not my thing.
Kate Beere [00:23:28]:
I know that. So to go into the new year
Rob Dale [00:23:30]:
You’d love hot yoga.
Kate Beere [00:23:31]:
I don’t like no.
Rob Dale [00:23:33]:
No. No.
Rob Dale [00:23:33]:
Don’t like yoga.
Rob Dale [00:23:35]:
And all the all the hot yoga lovers just unsubscribe from the show.
Kate Beere [00:23:39]:
I’m like, fill your boots if that’s what works for you. So but try different things, and it’s almost like you’re giving yourself permission to try different things without the pressure of, like, wanting to love hot yoga if you don’t. And I think that is so freeing. Like, I just I love that idea.
Wendy Dale [00:23:55]:
Well, it’s a journey of discovery.
Kate Beere [00:23:57]:
Yeah.
Wendy Dale [00:23:58]:
Yeah. So you use that time to take some time to explore and discover.
Kate Beere [00:24:02]:
Yeah. I really like that.
Rob Dale [00:24:04]:
Yeah. About curiosity and growth Yeah. Instead of just results. Right? I think results matter. Yeah. I think in our experimentation, I’ve talked about this before on the show, my journey, people telling me back in the day when I didn’t know how to turn things off and I only lived to work, and, and people would tell me, Deshaun, you need to go get a a hobby. And I used to find that, like, phrase so frustrating because a hobby to me is, like, you’re making a commitment. Right?
Kate Beere [00:24:29]:
Like, I
Rob Dale [00:24:29]:
I’m gonna start this thing. And then if it doesn’t work out or I don’t like it, then somehow, again, it’s it’s failure. Well, I think, January is a practice month in the same way. If you’re gonna try something, get ready to push through discomfort because it’s new. Yeah. So it’s not necessarily gonna feel great right out of the gate. Right? Especially if it’s something like exercise that, you know, no pain, no gain there. Right? It to some degree.
Rob Dale [00:24:51]:
But it’s this notion of curiosity. Does this align with me? Is this sustainable? Is this something I actually enjoy? Is it life giving? And if it’s not, then once you’ve pushed through, I said give it a good like, give it a chance. Yeah. And don’t quit after your first try unless it’s clearly not for you. Yeah. Like, if, again, if I tried hot yoga once, I don’t even think I need to try it to know I don’t like it.
Kate Beere [00:25:11]:
I bet you love it.
Rob Dale [00:25:12]:
Yeah. No. I don’t know.
Rob Dale [00:25:14]:
Yeah. I I I don’t like I don’t like being warm.
Kate Beere [00:25:17]:
Yes. Well, you’re all
Rob Dale [00:25:18]:
I run hot to be in there. Yeah. I just I think I would, like, pass out or something.
Kate Beere [00:25:22]:
Like Or
Rob Dale [00:25:22]:
I would just complain the whole time and make everybody else’s experience miserable.
Kate Beere [00:25:26]:
Yeah. And it it yeah. Yeah. Well, I’m I just
Rob Dale [00:25:30]:
gotta I love, you’re good. I used to be relaxing. Like you, I I love the concept of the practice month. And, it reminded me of, our personal bill of rights. We’ve talked about it. Is that the art of everyday assertiveness Yeah. Yeah. Assertiveness label, and the notion of I have the right to change my mind.
Rob Dale [00:25:45]:
And the the concept of a practice month is exactly that, and you described it so well, Kate, in that I can there’s a there’s there’s a dozen, if not more, ways to lose £20. Yep. So you have the right to change your mind. I’m gonna try this. I got the right to change my mind. And and that freedom that comes from that is so I it just it takes all that pressure off us.
Rob Dale [00:26:08]:
Yeah. 100%. So what are some, examples of daily habits or routines that, let’s let’s explore this a little deeper. Someone would say, well, what what would a practice month look like? What are some habits or routines a person might experiment with?
Kate Beere [00:26:22]:
Yeah. There’s tons. I mean, I I lean to gratitude because, obviously, I lean to gratitude. But I think daily gratitude practice is a great foundation regardless of, you know, if you also are wanting to get more fit, if you’re wanting to drink less, gratitude is kind of like a grounding practice that can you take 2 minutes in the morning to do. You can write down something you’re grateful for. You can do it at the end of the day, and it really helps with your your mindset. So for me, that’s a that’s a huge one. I have if you struggle with it, there’s like, get your mindset has 5 steps to unlocking gratitude.
Kate Beere [00:26:56]:
It’s a free guide. Go online. Download it. There’s a course you can use that can help walk you through it if you’re not sure how. And I have gratitude cards coming out, which I’m really excited
Rob Dale [00:27:04]:
about So exciting.
Kate Beere [00:27:05]:
Which is a 2 second exercise. You shuffle a deck, you pick a card,
Rob Dale [00:27:10]:
you read out,
Kate Beere [00:27:10]:
and I get 2 statements. You know what? Like, I get to go for a walk today. I get to give my kids a hug today. And that just grounds you in gratitude. And getting your mind right is number 1, I think, when it comes to kinda rolling out any type of big change.
Rob Dale [00:27:24]:
I love that. We’ll put links in the show notes for all of that. The cards are really exciting. That’s the newest that Yeah.
Kate Beere [00:27:28]:
Yeah.
Rob Dale [00:27:29]:
I encourage, a reflective reset. And that can be something you do either daily, and and either you do it at the end of the day or beginning of the day, or you just or or beginning of the week or the end of the week. Actually, for many of my clients, one of them, I just had this conversation not long ago, and he’s a big, strong, very successful construction owner of a big construction company. And we started talking about the practice of reflection. And, so he’s currently experimenting with he sets a meeting with himself in his calendar during work hours, on Friday, a half hour meeting with me. And what he does is he just sits, and he he reflects on what went well this week, what didn’t go well this week. What would I like to do different next week? Right? It’s a simple check with yourself. And whether you do this as a work thing, I love doing I I encouraged him to do it as a work thing because I said that where is make this your business.
Rob Dale [00:28:23]:
Make it part of your business is is to actually work on yourself and be reflecting and and identifying areas you can change. So I think reflection plays
Wendy Dale [00:28:34]:
I had something in there. But, no, I I think, you know, those small, reminders to block time out for self, but they don’t have to be big things. I’m a big believer in using the reminders app. It sounds so one of my favorite things, and I’ll say this to to gym members all the time is, you know, some of the easiest things are easy to do, but easier not to do. So, 5 minutes of stretching or foam rolling or 5 minutes of gratitude, you know, super, super simple, but so much easier to not do it. And I think building those little, you know, we could call them movement snacks or gratitude snacks throughout the day where your reminders has come where your reminders app is popping up, where it forces you to just stop, take 5 minutes, and do what you need to do. And and it’s just the power of consistency on those habits over
Rob Dale [00:29:23]:
and over. Just start setting it just to remember to eat.
Wendy Dale [00:29:25]:
Right.
Rob Dale [00:29:26]:
Because I’ll go an entire day and not
Wendy Dale [00:29:28]:
But that’s a big thing. I just just had a conversation with somebody about that last week. She’s like, I go from we’re because we get so busy. We get so consumed. We’re on our calls and our computers. She’s like, holy shit. I go from, like, 9 o’clock till 4 without eating, and then I wonder why I’m overeating at night because I’m so hungry. And it’s you know, the reminders app sounds so simple, but it’s Yeah.
Wendy Dale [00:29:45]:
It’s a tool.
Rob Dale [00:29:46]:
Well, I love it because I I use, regular with my clients when they’re trying to work on a new skill or, change something about how they show up as a leader, they’ll identify the goal. 1 of my clients, his goal was to speak up more in meetings. He is, in a family business. He’s the son, and and he was getting feedback from his, other senior leaders that he doesn’t He just buries his head in his notepad during meetings and barely ever speaks up. So we got went to work on a lot of the mindset stuff and the fear behind that and the insecurities that he had. And then we said, no. But we need to start practicing the new behavior. So we we call I call them visual interrupts.
Rob Dale [00:30:21]:
So, the app is like an interrupt, like the reminders app. It interrupts what you’re doing. It reminds you. For him, it was, since you already bury your head in your notepad, let’s use that to your advantage. I said, when you go into every meeting, I want you to write at the top of your notepad, the phrase in big bold letters, speak up more. Right? So as a visual reminder, because when push comes to shove, our intentions give way to our habits. Yeah. Right? Wonderful.
Rob Dale [00:30:46]:
So, we have to break out of the autopilot. So he started doing that.
Rob Dale [00:30:50]:
I see.
Rob Dale [00:30:50]:
And and and every time he looked down to, like, hide from the meeting like he had been doing before, his notepad was coaching him in real time to snap up more. And then there are days where he would speak up more, other days where his insecurities took over and he didn’t. And that’s okay. That was part of the process is you’re not gonna get it right every time. But this he wasn’t forgetting. He wasn’t when he wasn’t speaking up because of fear or whatever else, it was a choice he was making in that moment very different than I just keep forgetting to eat during the day. Right. Like, it’s I love it.
Rob Dale [00:31:20]:
I love it. That, with new coaches when they would when they join the team, we would have them in their notes when they’re doing prospect meetings or even coaching sessions. Right? The, the word wait. Yeah. Right? Why am I talking
Rob Dale [00:31:32]:
am I talking?
Rob Dale [00:31:33]:
As a reminder of don’t over like, don’t take over the conversation, but allow others to to jump in, allow others to as the the whoever you’re working with, ask questions that pull their conversation out. And so I I think that’s a brilliant one as well.
Rob Dale [00:31:48]:
Yeah. Another concept that came across was this idea of setting a theme for the week. Right? So, we we talk a lot about daily intentions, but, what seems to be gaining some traction is this notion of, like, for the week. This week, I’m leaning into what do you guys think about that weekly theme or focus type approach?
Wendy Dale [00:32:06]:
I think I just go back to flexibility that allow, like, not every week is gonna be the same, not every day is gonna be the same, especially in the society that we live in today. And I think it allows you to embrace that flexibility, as long as you’re not falling into the trap of Tuesday comes around and you haven’t done the few things that you wanna do, and then you fall into the mindset of, you know, like, you know, you you one tire is flat, and then you’re not gonna go slash the other 3. You know, you just you pick up and you keep moving on. So I think flexibility and adaptability for for the weekly. And and it’s less overwhelming than monthly. Right.
Rob Dale [00:32:39]:
Yeah. Right?
Kate Beere [00:32:40]:
Yeah. I agree with that. I mean, the analogy that came to my mind was, like, when you’re going to buy a dress for an event and you need the right dress, and it like, this is, like, a very basic, like, analogy, but, like, you need the right dress because it looks I don’t know. You’re going to a wedding. Maybe it can’t be white. It can’t be this. It can’t be that. It’s finding what fits.
Kate Beere [00:33:00]:
So I think that’s almost like it’s not like you go and try the first dress on. You’re like, well, it happens, but it rarely happens when you try the first
Wendy Dale [00:33:08]:
dress on the dress.
Rob Dale [00:33:09]:
Right? Right.
Kate Beere [00:33:10]:
So I think it but I I it’s that kind of like trying different things on, and you gotta find the one that fits and the one that makes you feel good as when you get the dress and you know it’s the one, you’re like, yes. You feel you feel it. And I think it’s the same thing. So it’s just kind of the, you know, chunking it down and giving yourself permission again to try.
Rob Dale [00:33:27]:
Yeah. And I love that. I I would say the on the flip side of it is the caution of don’t get don’t get into the trap of the the the new shiny object. Right? Like, sometimes we shift out of the focus if if our when I set a new theme or a focus, I also determine what kind of time frame do I need to give myself to see this happen. And so sometimes I might not be, setting a new theme every week. It might be the next 3 weeks, it’s gonna be on this because it’s gonna take 3 weeks to get some traction going. And we wanna kind of some ways protect ourselves from jumping to the next thing too quick. Right.
Rob Dale [00:34:03]:
There’s always gonna be a nicer dress. There’s always right? And so it’s being able to to recognize and say, no. This is where I’m gonna focus on now, and and I’m gonna I’m gonna work it.
Kate Beere [00:34:13]:
Nice. Was that
Rob Dale [00:34:15]:
what was that?
Rob Dale [00:34:15]:
Looking at the past.
Wendy Dale [00:34:16]:
At his bubble.
Rob Dale [00:34:17]:
Is that what is that what that was?
Rob Dale [00:34:18]:
I’m gonna work this dress. That didn’t work. No.
Rob Dale [00:34:23]:
That requires too much explanation. Steve can edit that out. Steve. Hey. Hey. I think what I like about whether it’s a week or Yeah. 30 days, whatever the case may be, is that, again, it is far more I I think the theme or the focus or your efforts are far more relevant to what’s actually happening in your life right now. I remember a client who set a goal.
Rob Dale [00:34:43]:
They really struggled with communication in their company, about 80 employees and and, been around for about 25 years at the time, and communication was a problem. And I’m I I remember telling them, like, it’s a problem with every organization. We literally worked with thousands of organizations now. We’ve never we I have yet to meet one that overcommunicates. Right? Like, it’s a communication problem I’ve heard. But he was so frustrated by it that he he declared that the following year, this was, like, in December or something, that the following year would be the year of communication. And I thought, okay. That’s very inspiring.
Rob Dale [00:35:14]:
Right? Well, by February, I was checking in with him on how that’s going, and he hadn’t talked about it. There’d been no commune No communication. No communication around the communication plan. But but on their newsletter, it was still like and I forget what year it was. The year of communication, I’m like, not so good. But I think we do that with resolutions as we’re setting these sweeping we’re making these sweeping statements in December Yeah. About what we want the entire year to look like. But, again, we have created these false moments in time.
Rob Dale [00:35:43]:
Like, what how how’s December different from November or different from July? And so I think when you set the target shorter, when you shorten the horizon, I think you can set goals that are far more motivational, far far more relevant to what’s happening in your life Yeah. That do force you to no. I agree. Not jump around from thing to thing, but we’re not making the horizon so long that it that we lose sight of what we did at
Rob Dale [00:36:06]:
I read a I read a really interesting book, a a couple of months ago now. It was called the 90 day year. And the whole premise of it is a business book, and it’s around the idea that when businesses set yearly goals, what happens is you often January, February, you just kinda coast. You don’t until you’re under the pressure of the you know, all of a sudden in in September, October, or more even November December, you’re like, everybody’s going full tilt trying to hit the goal. We gotta hit it before the end of our whatever the calendar year is for them. And then the idea of the 90 day year is setting year kind of thinking of your year as 90 days.
Rob Dale [00:36:40]:
Yeah. And that’s actually where we’re going next, which is, another practice is, again, some for some people, it might be a quarter, like setting a and and for this quarter, what I love about doing it that way is I think on business. Right? When we go back to how we help businesses establish what’s that 5 to 3 to 5 year window in terms of your vision, what you’re becoming, but then we help them break it down into what’s your strategic plan for next year to move towards that. So because they break it down into the year, then they’re not trying to achieve everything that they see for the next 3 to 5 years all in the following year. No. We get clear on what are the steps, what are the goals you should set, what are the results you need to see in your business that’ll move you towards that vision. And once we get clear on those, alright, what are we working on in q 1? What are we working on in q2, q3, q4? So then all of a sudden, when we enter the year, we’re not carrying the weight of all the whole year’s goals and on our shoulders. Right? We have said, no.
Rob Dale [00:37:36]:
No. We’re not worrying about that till q4. And, again, back to adaptive goal setting, as new things show up in the business that challenge, the plan, then the plan has to adjust and to tweak it. So I think quarterly themes, again, just another creative way to to not feel like you need to work on everything simultaneously.
Kate Beere [00:37:54]:
Totally. We just did an exercise with Bold Lip. We’re setting out, really, our pipeline for next year and what it needs to look like against our revenue goals, and we we’ve never done that with pipeline. Right? So we’ve done it with revenue, but not pipeline. So now this is the 1st year, and now we have quarterly targets that we have to hit. And it’s we saw the quarterly number, and we’re all like, woah. Like, that’s a big number, and we’re all like, it’s not even the year number. Right? Because your pipeline generally is 3 to 1 of your revenue.
Kate Beere [00:38:19]:
So we’re like, we’re looking at it, and we’re like, okay. And that motivates us to your point, Rob, right until March. We’re not even thinking full year. We’re thinking last quarter. Yep. And I think, personally, having a quarter is is a nicer target because when we go back to making new habits, and habits are set in 66 days. So you think about a quarter, you’ve got 90 dice. 9 90 dice.
Rob Dale [00:38:42]:
Noted eyes. 90. Noted a welcome to the down, under. That’s not a knife.
Kate Beere [00:38:48]:
I don’t know. That was other Kate
Rob Dale [00:38:51]:
just You were
Rob Dale [00:38:51]:
channeling Aussie Kate there.
Rob Dale [00:38:52]:
That was But if you That was kinda sexy. A little
Kate Beere [00:38:54]:
you like that you I do. I do. Repeat that. We’ll
Rob Dale [00:38:56]:
It’s not
Rob Dale [00:38:57]:
revisit this later.
Kate Beere [00:38:58]:
Will be. Okay. Alrighty. But if you think about it 90 days.
Rob Dale [00:39:02]:
Right? So 66 days, you created a new habit. As much as you
Kate Beere [00:39:03]:
get up at a gratitude practice every morning for 90 days, it’s just something you do now. So to reintroduce even something else after 90 days, you’re like, oh, that’s just habit now. It’s just what I do now. You can introduce something. Yes.
Rob Dale [00:39:25]:
I love it. Yeah. Let’s talk about whether again and whether it’s a weekly theme, a quarterly theme. I think, again, this whole idea of shortening the horizon just seems to make so much more sense to me. I remember when I first saw it all, I said, oh, why didn’t where has this been my whole Yeah. As opposed to this this other view that seems to take the whole year all at once? But what are some themes that, whether again, regardless of the time frame, what are some themes that people might explore that might help them start the year strong?
Rob Dale [00:39:52]:
Start with your goals. And I would say, if you haven’t done it already, I would encourage you, January 1st is a great day to start the 15 day life vision challenge, because you will get crystal clear on your values. You’ll get clear on what matters to you. You’ll get clear on things like, the rituals that you can start to embrace in your life, and you’ll find the themes, that will resonate with you if you tie them into your values. Yeah. Right? So I have a value. One of my values is community. So for me, a a very practical theme that I could set a intention or resolution around might be to engage with my theme or my, my community more often.
Rob Dale [00:40:31]:
Right. Right? And and so when we lean into our values, our themes the themes that we need to focus on will probably come quite naturally.
Rob Dale [00:40:38]:
Yeah. 100%.
Wendy Dale [00:40:40]:
I would say values speaks really, really clearly for me as well. And I think things that serve us, but also getting really clear on what your nonnegotiables are. We spend a lot of time, which is awesome, about the things that we want. What about the things that we don’t want and the things that we are, like and and sometimes those, things that we say no to can be really hard.
Rob Dale [00:41:02]:
Yeah.
Wendy Dale [00:41:03]:
And and it’s it’s choosing your own personal happiness and satisfaction over the opinions, or disappointment of other people, which typically don’t last long anyways. You know, so I think, really getting clear on your boundaries around what your nonnegotiables are.
Rob Dale [00:41:19]:
I love that because I think a lot of times people are looking to add, to good life in the new year. But, sometimes, what we need is a detox. Yeah. We need to go through our life and do a a cleanse. Yeah. Right? Cleanse of things that don’t serve us well, relationships that don’t serve us well.
Kate Beere [00:41:33]:
Yeah. And sometimes it’s just a continuation of what we’re already doing. Like, how about it, like, congratulation on a on a great year and with the progress you’ve made. And how about just, like, yeah, I just I wanna stay where this is really I feel good right here. I’m feeling like, celebrate that win, and then just keep the momentum into the new year. Sometimes it’s not always about upping, upping, upping. Yeah. It’s about maintaining and keeping and
Rob Dale [00:41:55]:
100%. Yeah.
Kate Beere [00:41:56]:
Yeah. For
Rob Dale [00:41:56]:
me this year, definitely, a theme is is upping and leveling up and upgrading around the realm of relationships. Got just clear on how in business I’ve gotten so comfortable, and building a successful business and and working well. And, so for me, a major theme for me is surrounding myself with people, who make me think bigger, who, encourage me to grow, who really now that’s not comfortable because you get around people like that. It’s gonna it’s gonna probably poke at every insecurity you have because you feel less than, but that’s that’s a lie you tell yourself. Right? But I think the themes are highly relevant to what a person is going through. And I think, again, I would agree a 100% that when you know who you are and what you stand for, then being able to say, well, for for this period of time, I’m gonna lean into this. Yep. You’re not just grasping at straws.
Rob Dale [00:42:45]:
You’re actually leaning into your true self and saying, I’m gonna be more deliberate about this aspect of what really makes me come alive for this period of time, right, rather than the the whole year long. Guys, this has been an amazing conversation. We’ve got a whole other one follow-up plan of this. We’re gonna go even deeper, into this stuff, but we’re gonna close. We’re gonna do a lightning round here. Final word advice for this particular show on starting strong. Final word of advice to our listeners.
Rob Dale [00:43:12]:
Whether you’re calling it resolution, whether you’re calling it an intention, whether you’re calling it a theme, whatever it is, wrap it in self compassion, and that’s self the radical self acceptance. It is the most important characteristic or element that we can include when we’re trying to set goals is to be compassionate with ourselves as we’re going through the process because things will change. We will, fall short at times. All of that’s gonna happen and how we show up for ourselves and the story we tell ourselves is going to make all the difference to what we do next.
Rob Dale [00:43:45]:
Yeah. Love that. Love that.
Kate Beere [00:43:46]:
I think I would just I often say this on the show, but start small.
Rob Dale [00:43:50]:
Mhmm.
Kate Beere [00:43:51]:
Just start start.
Rob Dale [00:43:52]:
Just start. And I
Kate Beere [00:43:53]:
often say that too, but and just start small. Yep. Don’t try and boil the ocean as we sometimes try to do. And just do do 1 or 2 things a week that your future self is gonna thank yourself for.
Rob Dale [00:44:04]:
Yep. Love that. Love that.
Wendy Dale [00:44:06]:
I would say self reflection. Really look in the mirror and get crystal clear on the things that you’d typically, the things that we don’t wanna see or don’t want to admit are typically the things that we need to, not need to, but is an opportunity to, to work on because momentum in terms of whatever we do, I believe, is tied to our attitude in the self ownership piece.
Rob Dale [00:44:28]:
Yeah. Love that. Love that. I would say whatever decisions you make, don’t let it be because of the shoulds, cut, coulds, and and have tos. Make the decision, make the intention, set the intention and direction because it’s a reflection of who you are and what you really want. So getting clear on that, I think, is crystal is so important. Guys, such a great conversation. And and, nation, thank you for joining us again.
Rob Dale [00:44:50]:
You’re gonna wanna tune in to the next show. It’ll be part 2 of this conversation. We’re gonna dive into, these concepts and others even more deeply to really help you start strong, this year. As always, we encourage you to like, share, and subscribe, to the show and get the word out. Visit our website at living richly dot me where you can find out all kinds of cool information, about the Living Richly Nation, our Facebook group that just continues to to blow up and expand. You can find out about the 15 day, life vision challenge, which is a free experience online. And now also links to Kate’s gratitude cards, get 2 cards, and her gratitude journal and her gratitude course. You’ll find all of that on our website and more.
Rob Dale [00:45:31]:
And until next time, we encourage you to tune in again. And until then, keep on living your best life.