Vision Unleashed – Mastering Your Destiny

Vision Unleashed – Mastering Your Destiny

Kate Beere:

It really is about dreaming. Right? It is about carving out what that looks like for you and dreaming big, like, what you really want out of life.

Eric Deschamps:

If you can see it, you can achieve it. But if we can’t see it, then anything will do. Right? And I think that’s why a lot of people Stay asleep at the wheel of their own life. If we spend all our time consumed with where

Rob Dale:

we are, we’ll never be able to get to that preferred

Eric Deschamps:

or desired future. Without a dream, without a vision Where I’m going, I’m just existing. I’m just waking up every day, and I’m taking up energy and space and time, but I I’m not moving towards anything meaningful or anything, important.

Kate Beere:

Thanks for joining us today on the Living Rich Lee podcast. Super excited today to be talking about the power of vision.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. What a great topic.

Kate Beere:

An exciting mean, Tom. I’m super passionate about this one, and I don’t feel like we’ve talked about it before, the 4 of us.

Eric Deschamps:

Not as a dedicated I think we’ve referenced it many times in other conversations, but we’ve never dedicated an entire episode, to the power of vision.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. So so excited to get going. So I’m gonna I’m gonna throw us all a question to start. Are you guys ready? Oh, I

Eric Deschamps:

think so. Alright. Ready. We’re bracing ourselves.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. I think I just wanna start with for each of us because we haven’t really talked about it. If we can, like, share a key moment, a defining moment where you sort of realize the importance of personal vision?

Eric Deschamps:

Great question.

Rob Dale:

That is a great for me, I know one of those initial Show moments where I realized the importance of, having a personal vision would have been right when I left the church world, back in, 2012. All of a sudden, everything up to that point was evolved around. And you know this, evolved around the church, or revolved around What I was doing there, my whole the idea of a personal vision, it’s all about what’s God’s vision. What was, you know, what is and and And it was this external, source. And all of a sudden in that moment, I my identity was gone. I I was completely lost and, kind of without any kind of direction.

Eric Deschamps:

There was no plot.

Rob Dale:

There was no story. Right. Yeah. There’s no plot. And so having that the the 1st crafting, and I chuckle because I I have it written down. But that first crafting of a personal vision, it helped Start me on the path of coaching. It helps start me on the path of realizing that my story is not done. It helped me to begin to say, okay.

Rob Dale:

What does the next Chapter looked like.

Eric Deschamps:

Wow.

Rob Dale:

I’ve I’ve shaped that certainly a lot more. And, most recently, it’s certainly been in a a a lot of change to that. But that would have been a moment where had I not taken the moment to say, okay. What is my vision? The vision for me and my life In that moment, I don’t know if I ever would have been able to move forward to where I am today. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:

That’s powerful. Wow. Very powerful.

Kate Beere:

Wow.

Rob Dale:

Although you guys,

Eric Deschamps:

For me, I think it would definitely be, winter 2022 into the spring, was going through a lot of, Personal changes, lots of personal challenges, and it seems like, and I’ve talked about this, the great awakening. That really was a period of awakening for me, where all of a sudden, I’d lived most of my life according to the shoulds, musts, and have tos of everybody else. You call it, I love the language used around this, my supposed life. Again, like you, you know, they had said that this is how I’m supposed I wish I knew. We said before about who the hell are they, and why do they hold so much power in our lives? And for the first time, started to ask myself those Questions about what does living my best life look like for me? What actually makes me happy? What are the things that fill my cup? And, very well versed in helping organizations come up with a vision and a direction, but never had that for my own life. And And that whole, pop the time period, that process would lead to the emergence of the quadrant model, which is really was my own journey of discovering what really mattered to me and building a life around that. And and what I can tell you is the difference that has made. I I tell people now, we we were, just recently with a business leader that we haven’t seen in some time, and she made the comment.

Eric Deschamps:

She goes, Eric, you look different. Like, there’s something about you that’s really different. And to be able to say I have never felt more confident and happy in my own skin, That’s the power of having a personal dream, direction, vision, and pursuing it. It’s not pursuing it perfectly. Yeah. But, man, does it ever give you focus.

Kate Beere:

I I love that. I totally love that. What about for you, Wendy?

Wendy Dodds:

Yeah. Oh, I think for me, so just not knowing and sorry. Not feeling, and not knowing that I wasn’t in the right place. So probably back 2015, my coming to Jesus moment, not just

Eric Deschamps:

He he’s not he’s not coming. He’s okay. Jesus is not available.

Wendy Dodds:

He’s not available today. But knowing that I was lying awake at night, with all of those thoughts that were keeping me awake. Not not in the right place with my own health and wellness, but also not doing the right work. And it’s Ironic that you just mentioned, Eric. You could create personal visions for leadership teams and all of the people that you’re coaching because I did the exact same thing in an HR capacity, but yet I couldn’t figure out or crack where the hell am I going? And so knowing that my personal vision was gonna help me create that road map, that North Star to what was gonna help drive me down the path that I’m in right do right now today

Kate Beere:

Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:

On creating impact, but also doing what I’m supposed to do and not what they think I should be doing. Right.

Eric Deschamps:

Right. Right.

Kate Beere:

They’re everywhere. Yeah. They’re everywhere. They are everywhere.

Eric Deschamps:

They are everywhere.

Kate Beere:

It’s yeah. We we talk

Eric Deschamps:

about it’s like again, it’s see, we we’ve used the language of, again, living according to other people’s expectations, almost like Instead of writing your own story Yeah. Which is what the the part of, I think, the beauty and the mystery of the human experience Is the ability to write our own epic story. Right? To decide and to pursue it and to write it. Most of us live as extras in somebody else’s story because we never figure it out.

Kate Beere:

What’s interesting so for me, my moment is actually tied to that a little bit. And I don’t know. You might remember this. But shortly after Eric and I met, I was looking for something in one of my journals. So I flipped through, and I was trying to find something specific. But what I found, so this is in 2022, is I found a list, and it started with in 2021. Wow. And I write down I believe in pen and the power of, like pen to paper.

Kate Beere:

Right? So I write down I am statements for the next year, not Wow. I will, but I am. And so there’s a list of, like, I don’t know, 8 things. And there’s 1 thing on that list that in 2022, I didn’t get to. Everything else had come. True. And they were big things. Like, the first one for me was I’m gonna be in a loving, romantic relationship with a really kind man.

Kate Beere:

That one didn’t happen.

Wendy Dodds:

When does that

Kate Beere:

when does

Eric Deschamps:

that happen? Wait a second. But, Eric, hold on. Steve, could you fix that in post editing?

Kate Beere:

He’s right here. But yeah. And so what’s interesting is we met in 2022, but we actually started talking in 2021. Yeah. So I was like, wow. That’s insane. The next one was, I’m gonna get this specific promotion. I’m gonna make this much money, and this will be my bonus.

Kate Beere:

To the t, the number on the paper was what I was earning. It was crazy. Wow. I had some for my kids, which I won’t share because they’re private. Those 2. And the last 1 was you’re gonna learn, like, a new craft, something new that’s gonna take your career path down a different road.

Eric Deschamps:

And here you are sitting on

Kate Beere:

I’m so You talk about the power of sign blowing.

Eric Deschamps:

I remember you I remember you telling me that. Yeah. Like, us talking about that, and it it reminds me of back in the days, Rob, you’ll remember this, that when I first actually, I told you the story about it because You would be the 1st coach I bring on to my team, brought onto my team in 2012. I had launched my 1st coaching business breakthrough coach in 2011, And I remember coming back from a week’s worth of training in the US just to get my business started, and I literally, when I got home, spent the next 2 or 3 days in my dining room at the time, that was my office, with my laptop mapping out where was this fledgling business going. And I had all these goals I’d written down, the the really visional goals, like, vision goals about what I would see, what what it would become. And then I remember filing that away and just getting to work. And then 5 years later, I remember I pulled it out and I said, dude, look at this. And, like, the vast majority of the things that I had written down at that time.

Eric Deschamps:

It’s not like I was taking this out of my pocket every day and looking at it. I literally, like, envisioned it, filed it away, and went to work, and I think that’s the power of vision. It sets you on a course. It sets you on a track. And I think, again, you talk about the universe aligning and conspiring with you when you pursue that amazing thing.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. I think for the way I look at it is it’s like you’re programming your subconscious. Yeah. Right? And it it’s just when you write it down, it’s your it’s an intent. Yeah. You’re putting something out into the universe with intent. I never looked at it again after I wrote it down. Yeah.

Kate Beere:

Was I working towards those? Yeah. For sure. Like, that I was taking action against that. And, actually, that’s probably a great segue to let’s talk about goals, objectives versus vision because I think a lot of people can get stuck at. Like, what’s the difference between a goal versus vision? How do they play together?

Rob Dale:

Because there it is a it the it a cloudy Space. Right? Yeah. And there’s a lot of fog there

Kate Beere:

Mhmm.

Rob Dale:

Is when people talk about vision, they often are actually talking about goals Or they’re talking about whatever bucket list, you know, all of this different stuff. They they do mix up that language. You know, certainly in our work with, Organizations, when we’re doing that, we talk about vision as a as a desired future, a preferred future. Right? It’s Yeah. It is something that we are going towards. I look at it for me. Either way, I kinda separate these out as the goal your goals Are those steps? They’re the the the they’re the, gas stations along the journey. Right? They’re the places where we stop, and we’re making Kind of those checking in.

Rob Dale:

How are we doing? Are we still on the are we still going in the right direction? Do we need to alter our course? Whatever. That’s what goals are. There are those steps along the way. The bucket list is what do I wanna experience while I’m on the journey?

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. What was it?

Rob Dale:

Going in that direction? What are the things that I want to have and happen in those moments? And and our vision oftentimes can change over time. Yes. Right? Totally.

Eric Deschamps:

It evolves.

Rob Dale:

It evolves. Yeah. It evolves. It grows. And so that’s why it’s important to have goals and even that bucket important to have those Checkpoints along the journey to make sure that we’re still on the right path.

Eric Deschamps:

Right. They they become a way to gauge your progress, to gauge, are we still on track? But I couldn’t agree more. Vision is, Where do I see myself 5 years from now? Where do I see myself 10 years from now? You’re kind of you’re kind of envisioning the the the a a future version of yourself. Really And I think then the goal is once you get clear on that, which a lot of people aren’t. It’s it’s like a pilot taking off from Ottawa With no clear destination. Well, if you have no clear destination, one, you’re gonna waste a lot of fuel. You’re gonna waste a lot of energy, and you might not like where you end up. Right? You might end up landing in Winnipeg for Christ’s sake.

Eric Deschamps:

Like, right? Who and who wants to go to Winnipeg for our Winnipeg listeners? I’m sorry. But right. Like, But you you need to have that end game. Like, where am I going? And then the goals actually reverse engineer it then. If this is what I where I envision myself 5 to 10 years from now, then what are the things I need to do, the steps I need to take, the goals I need to set, I need to, embark on in order to to make sure I get there. So I I love that explanation.

Wendy Dodds:

Yeah. I think it’s important to know, and I I don’t know if it was you or

Rob Dale:

you who just mentioned.

Eric Deschamps:

Well, depending on how intelligent it was. Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:

It was really

Kate Beere:

intelligent with me. Well, then.

Eric Deschamps:

It was

Kate Beere:

actually me.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. She’s right.

Kate Beere:

But when

Wendy Dodds:

people think of vision, and one of you just mentioned that that might change. And a lot of people experience discouragement because they feel like they have in their mind this set map as to how the vision is supposed to be without allowing any detours. So to the driving point, the gas station, which I don’t know why you didn’t mention evaluating then getting snacks at the gas station

Kate Beere:

when you’re stopping.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. You missed that. You missed that. You missed that part of

Kate Beere:

the point.

Rob Dale:

Yay. Snacks are key.

Wendy Dodds:

They are key. But you might have road closures along the way. You might have traffic along the way. Your gas station might be closed. You might not have the right snacks said the guys.

Rob Dale:

It’s all about the snacks.

Kate Beere:

It’s all about the snacks. So all that to say,

Wendy Dodds:

sometimes people give up on their vision and they get very discouraged, and then they say, this isn’t working Because they haven’t allowed those that flexibility to be able to make those detours when needed.

Eric Deschamps:

I couldn’t agree more, Wendy. Actually, I used to talk about creating a map for your life, Right? In terms of where you wanna go, where you wanna end up. And and then I remember driving down the Queensway during LRT construction East End. I live in the East End in between Blair Road and, Montreal Road, for for folks that are listening from Ottawa region, you know exactly what I mean. So westbound section between Montreal and Blair, if I had my GPS on for Several months because of the work they had done. The the the highway had literally was still in the same place, but over from where it was originally. Like, the lanes were now over further to the left, great if you’re heading west. And so the GPS would record that I’m off the map, that I’m not on the trajectory anymore.

Eric Deschamps:

And yet, I I I the the map changes constantly. The The our context is changing constantly. Our context is constantly evolving. So I I prefer to talk about it. You use use the language of North Star. It’s about having a compass for your life, a compass that helps you stay on track, a vision of the future, but a compass even if the path changes, Even if the weather changes, even if the snacks aren’t up to snub, I can use this compass to find my way back to get? Where I’m heading.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. I mean, the goals and objectives are are the how. Right? And so for people like me who get so stuck on the how. I need the I need how to find.

Eric Deschamps:

We need we need the checklist, and we need to Oh

Kate Beere:

my god. Like, I need it all, like, really that’s just how I’m wired. So to to paint the vision without having, like, clear goals and objectives for me was so, so hard because it really is about dreaming. Right? It is about carving out what that looks like for you and dreaming like, what you really want out of life. Like, for me, you know, work life balance, flexibility, not going into an office has always been like, I didn’t plan for COVID so we could all work remotely. However

Eric Deschamps:

But thank you. If you did, thank you.

Kate Beere:

But it has always been, like, a very top level vision for me, and and I continue to map map that out? But I think, like, at the core for me, if I wanna get really clear for vision, I kinda wanna sink into with you guys how you take that 1st step forward to start defining your vision. Because when I get stuck on the how, it makes sort of looking at that bigger vision harder. So how? Any any tips, tricks? Where do you start when you define

Wendy Dodds:

dream? I think I’ll jump in and just, mention values. And that can be a huge, kinda overarching, I guess, Word or topic.

Rob Dale:

Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:

Because there’s so many different values. So I think to break it down, I know for me, I get Overwhelmed because I want to do everything, and then and then I end up doing nothing. So why are you nodding like that?

Eric Deschamps:

You and I were you were wrong. I for more, I was sitting. You were far too enthusiastic.

Kate Beere:

I know. I I so I don’t know.

Eric Deschamps:

I just feel that

Kate Beere:

I have to

Eric Deschamps:

pay a price for that data. I understand.

Rob Dale:

I I no understand. I no I no understand.

Wendy Dodds:

But to go back to the values, what values Hold deep in your core. What is really important to you? And I would narrow it down to 3, maybe 5 at the most, but then also, what keeps you awake at night? Right. What are what are the things that you can’t stop thinking about? Because that is usually your internal compass telling you that you’re supposed to be doing something maybe that you’re not or or or whatever the case may be. So I I would start with values.

Rob Dale:

100%. I love the idea. Yeah. Again, in order to look Into the to the future, you gotta first look inside. Yeah. Right? And it’s this idea that it starts here. It starts with who am I, What matters? What what are those values? What drives me? All of that. What fires me up? Yep.

Rob Dale:

The more we take the time to reflect on the Internal, we can then say, if that’s true, now what is it that I how do I wanna express that into the future?

Kate Beere:

And that’s a powerful

Rob Dale:

place to start.

Eric Deschamps:

And I would go even beyond, the key to our futures on the inside. Mhmm. But it’s also found in our past. I think we have a complicated most of us have a complicated relationship with our past where, we we recently did the episode on learning to forgive yourself. I think we we carry regret Yeah. Over mistakes we’ve made and thing you know, wrong bad decisions that we made. And And so it’s often about getting over my past is often how people or there’s terrible pain in our past, right, that we look back on whether from family of origin or growing up or Even into adulthood, it’s often about I wanna just leave that behind and move ahead. And yet in our past lies the lessons and the hints about What are the things that have always, lit lit my heart on fire? What are the things that have always been important to me? What are the things that have often risen to the surface? Even if they were I loved how you say the things you’re constantly thinking about.

Eric Deschamps:

Someone might like, some of us, you know, we we go into these spirals of of negative thinking and and, I call it negative meditation.

Rob Dale:

Right? We’re

Eric Deschamps:

kinda focused on the wrong things. But even underneath all that, there may be something there that is Part of who you are, that’s why your mind keeps getting drawn to it. And it’s about shifting the focus from a negative bias to a a future positive bias. But your past also holds. I think a lot of keys. And and so looking at what are some of the key themes, that that if I look back in key seasons of my life Yeah. What’s kinda stayed with me. I think there’s fuel for vision now.

Eric Deschamps:

You know, one of the things

Rob Dale:

that I all 3 of you I know I’ve with Different conversations that this is a practice that the 3 of you do very regularly, and that is write things down here. The reflection, the journaling, it’s It’s a practice that I know that all 3 of you are embraced fully. And I I think that’s a starting point for a lot of people when they’re trying to figure out a vision is is Just take some time. Just start writing. Yeah. Yeah. Jot down, reflect, get get it out of here, Get it to pass it through the, you know, the The

Eric Deschamps:

lips and the fingertips. Yeah.

Rob Dale:

Till it passes through the lips or the fingertips, it isn’t real. Yeah. So just get it out on and, again, I think there is something powerful about pen and paper to be able to write out these things before and and it becomes clear as you start to write them out. Maybe speak to that a little bit.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. Well, I I think it’s, it it’s absolutely critical that you, again, I keep Coming back to the words of wisdom from Jim Harrington from when I first met him. This would be very like, years ago. And he said to me that the number one reason most people don’t achieve their full potential is because we don’t stop often enough, regularly enough, To think deeply about what we’re doing. And so without a reflective practice of some sort, whether that’s meditation, whether it’s reflective writing, whether it’s journaling, Whether it’s meaningful, regular conversations with other people on the journey. It’s gonna look different for different people. Yeah. But unless you have a regular space for reflection, Discovering your vision is gonna be challenging.

Eric Deschamps:

Staying on track, even harder if you manage to get it.

Kate Beere:

Well and it’s it’s I the pause. Right? Like, we’re we’re so uncomfortable pausing. Right? I don’t

Eric Deschamps:

know what you mean.

Wendy Dodds:

Right now.

Kate Beere:

None of us are like that. But truly pausing with yourself to do the reflection work, to actually, really take time to ask yourself those questions without without thinking through a million other things? I know for me, meditation has become something that I’ve really committed to recently. Always done it. But now it’s, like, every morning, whether it’s 5 minutes, put my headphones on. Eric knows. But, like or it’s, like, 30 minutes. If I get it, great. I don’t always have a perfect meditation.

Kate Beere:

There there are many mornings where I’m thinking about the grocery list and how I have to go pick up the kit. Like, it’s harder. Yeah. But but

Eric Deschamps:

Slowing down is so hard.

Kate Beere:

Saw in there so hard and get present. And and, again, I’m big on on the affirmation side. So, like, saying things as if they’re actually happening, but what like, what do I want? Even sometimes it can be for that day. It could be for the next hour. It’s like, you know, I am happy. I’m fulfilled. I am and, like, just, again, programming your subconscious. So I think meditation too sometimes can just be, like, sit with your thoughts as crazy as they may be when you first start.

Kate Beere:

Do a guided meditation that can help too, but that can can help a little bit.

Wendy Dodds:

I think my favorite thing that you just said there Yeah. Was about When you’re meditating Yeah. How sometimes you’re still thinking about your grocery list.

Kate Beere:

You are.

Wendy Dodds:

But it’s true because I’ve had so many people tell me, I can’t meditate because I can’t focus, or I’ll do it for 2 a great voice.

Kate Beere:

Is that

Eric Deschamps:

is it how did that Rob just did that in the last stuff is

Kate Beere:

about, and

Eric Deschamps:

I’m like Now

Rob Dale:

I know where I got

Kate Beere:

it from.

Eric Deschamps:

You got it from.

Rob Dale:

I just I got it from. That’s the voice that that’s

Eric Deschamps:

the voice that Wendy uses me when, when I do something stupid, which is On a regular basis.

Kate Beere:

But a

Wendy Dodds:

lot of people get so frustrated, and I’ll just speak from a female lens Yeah. Around the, notion of I’m going to do something, but if I don’t do it right, then I’m not doing it because I can’t do it right. So the fact that you’ve embraced meditation, Sometimes it’s 5 minutes. Sometimes it’s 30 minutes. Sometimes it’s probably like this be everything’s flowing.

Kate Beere:

And the

Wendy Dodds:

other times, it’s like, I left the the laundry and the washing machine, so now I need to rerun the cycle again because now the mildew is sitting in, and, oh, I gotta get this at the grocery store. Yeah. But I I love that so much because it’s such it just I think it gives people permission

Kate Beere:

that Yeah. It’s okay if it’s not going the way it’s supposed to go,

Wendy Dodds:

but you keep doing it.

Kate Beere:

You keep doing it. Yeah. I mean, I

Eric Deschamps:

love that.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. My headspace, big at the beginning was, like, I’m I’m failing at meditation because that’s my language. It’s unfair. And it’s like

Eric Deschamps:

I I can add that that, this not that is not a uniquely female problem. I I how many times I’ve I tried, and meditation is one very important practice for me as well, but it’s one that I have a complicated relationship with for for that very reason. But recently read, Elizabeth Lester’s book, Cassandra Speaks, where she quotes Pema Chodron, who, was a North American A business leader who who totally converted to, the Buddhist philosophy and now is a full on Buddhist monk, and She has been on the Oprah show, in Oprah’s Hade. I mean, she is one of the most, valued resources when it comes to understanding Meditation. And she uses the notion of meditation. It’s understanding that you are the sky and the rest is just weather. You are the sky. The rest is just weather.

Eric Deschamps:

She says, imagine yourself taking off. Let’s go back to the plane analogy.

Kate Beere:

Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:

You’re taking off, and it’s overcast, and it’s bad weather on the ground. Eventually, when you rise above those clouds, you know, the sun breaks through. You’re above the weather now looking down on it. That’s what meditation allows us to do is to slow down and gain perspective. And I think, whether it’s gaining perspective on what is my life about and where it’s what’s important to me and Where am I going to? Am I on track? Am I living according to my values? Am I right? I think, reflective practice of any kind is absolutely necessary

Kate Beere:

for sure.

Rob Dale:

And there’s some great tools out there that help you on that journey. Yeah. You have been doing with the on the get to mindset.

Kate Beere:

Yeah.

Rob Dale:

But putting out some great Oh, man. Yeah. That is huge.

Eric Deschamps:

We’ll link all those. Yeah.

Rob Dale:

Yeah. We’ll definitely put a link to that. It’s a great way to, with some I am statements Yeah. All of that, the affirmations, and having that in the background to help maybe sometime you know, sometimes that’s what we need to get out of our own head noise, and using that. I know you and I have both well, all of us, actually, and it was something that was, introduced. I think, Eric, you first introduced it to me was the values deck. Oh, yes.

Eric Deschamps:

For using that.

Rob Dale:

We’ve done it even as a couple

Eric Deschamps:

is We just we just recently did it as a

Rob Dale:

couple times.

Wendy Dodds:

So fun.

Rob Dale:

Us? That as a couple is to be able to pull that out and and and what a power what a wonder we we’re on a road trip when we did. It was actually a year ago, that we did that, that exercise. And to go back, it’d be interesting for us to do it again now, even just to look at because those things can shift. And but some of these Tools. We don’t need to figure out vision, all alone. Right. Right.

Eric Deschamps:

In fact,

Rob Dale:

it it’s difficult to do that.

Kate Beere:

Well, it’s interesting you say that because we did values. Like, we did the value car and

Rob Dale:

Did Day Align?

Kate Beere:

Like, insanely.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. It

Kate Beere:

was it was just we’re just like like, we knew it, but to see it down, yeah, it was special.

Eric Deschamps:

It was powerful. And, I mean, like, I think most we talk about, let’s talk about relationships just for a second and the power of vision there. Let’s face it. Most couples come together initially because of chemistry, attraction, and emotion. Yep. Right? That is that is exciting, and it’s part of the process, but it’s not enough To go the distance to go the distance, you need shared vision. You need shared values. Doesn’t mean that they’re your values are a 100% aligned, but we talk about developing a vision.

Eric Deschamps:

You and I talk about traveling around the world and and the things that we wanna do together and business and all of this.

Kate Beere:

And, yeah, and we started a a vision board together as a couple Yeah. Which I have never done before. So vision for me has always been very in solitude. It has not been. Yeah. And I realized through doing that, I’m like, oh, so much more fun. But it is to be able to share that vision. But I think as a couple, it’s important that we’re you know, we talk about it, but to kinda give you a North star and to have a vision board that we can come back to, a visual cue.

Kate Beere:

Because that that’s what’s hard for people, right, as they they talk about vision, but how do you keep it? Right? How do you keep it? A vision board’s 1 you can go back to, a journal, you know, but being you need choose to be able to come back to

Wendy Dodds:

something big? And then how do you support each other as well? Where if your values and and it was Ben Bergeron that talked about it in a couple of episodes around to your point. It’s great when you when you’re able to start dating and, you you know, chemistry, emotional, all that kind of stuff, but That doesn’t last forever unless you’re aligned in other ways. So by doing, you know, like, the values stacked together, if you’ve got similar values, but maybe some of them are slightly different, how how can you support your partner in like, if one of their values is community? Yeah. You know, and maybe they wanna do a lot of volunteering. How do you support them with that? Knowing you don’t know what you don’t know. So doing that together just allows you to continue building that foundation of your relationship together.

Eric Deschamps:

A 100%. And whether whether you’re, in a relationship right now or you’re single doing this on your own, One thing we’re really excited about is, what’s an upcoming resource that’s gonna be made available through the Living Richland movement, called the 15 Day Life Vision Challenge. And this will be a guide and a series of guided exercises over the course of 15 days, resources that will help you ask The right kinds of questions, do the right kind of reflection to help you determine that path forward. So that I’m I just wanna put that in

Rob Dale:

there as a tool.

Kate Beere:

Great. It’s amazing.

Eric Deschamps:

Fantastic. Valuable resource for people. We talk about living richly. Well, I need a map or I need a I sorry. Let me back that up. We I need a compass. We’re gonna help you build the compass. Yeah.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. Absolutely. And I, I found a blog on in the show notes. It’s, it was a really good one that allows you to it gives you, like, 10 different offer is where you can actually do a digital vision board. I’m visual, so, like, I write, but I also I need to see stuff on a daily basis. I need to be reminded of, like, travel’s a big one. Poor air gets a 1,000. Let’s go here.

Kate Beere:

Let’s go here every day on Instagram.

Eric Deschamps:

I don’t I don’t feel poor on the receiving like. That story.

Kate Beere:

I know

Rob Dale:

you It’s like the

Eric Deschamps:

the latest one was like, if you’re concerned Bora Bora, I’m like, let’s go. Alright.

Rob Dale:

I want you to sell me on this because I am not Some and and and maybe some of our listeners will be in the same boat. Yeah. I have heard, I know the importance of sorry. Let me even change the language on that. I hear often people talk about vision boards. Yeah. I’ve never created a vision board in my life. K? I’ve done Lots of vision work.

Rob Dale:

Yeah. But the idea of when we think of a vision board, here’s what major comes to mind for me, right, is a vision board is

Eric Deschamps:

I get I get exactly what

Rob Dale:

you’re gonna say. You got this piece of paper stuck to the wall, and you’re cutting out a magazine. It’s the

Eric Deschamps:

art cruise. I call it

Rob Dale:

arts and crafts. Arts arts and crafts. Right? And I’m like, it’s not me at all. Right? So talk to let me let’s just let’s talk a little bit about a vision board because it is a powerful tool that many people, will mention when they talk about having a personal vision, it goes to vision board. So Help me understand from your perspective what a vision board is.

Kate Beere:

It’s a for me, it’s a visual map of my vision. That’s all it is. So it’s I

Eric Deschamps:

like how that is.

Kate Beere:

Well, yeah. It’s it’s the it’s the use.

Eric Deschamps:

Visual map.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. So, like, I have an old vision. I have had many, and that’s the whole vision changes over time. But, like, I have somewhere? I have a book that is I get to run-in the rain, and that is really get to mindset, and that’s the foundation of it. And so it’s it’s fascinating when you go back to older versions. I do them digitally now, so I’m not cutting anything out. But I am copying and pasting stuff, and it’s it’s, you know, I love I love to travel, so putting up just travel random photos to keep it front of mind for me. I think it’s just really visually representing what that is.

Kate Beere:

And by also putting pen to paper, though, by putting a book and putting a title on it that says I Get to Run-in the Rain by, you know, Kate Bolton. Like, it’s on there. It gives it a bit of permanence. It gives it something, and and I need that.

Eric Deschamps:

You’re putting it out into the universe.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. So that’s huge way. Yeah. And so for me, it’s it’s very real. I’m not I’m not gonna put, like, $1,000,000 checkup. Like, that’s not how I work, but I do believe

Rob Dale:

for works someone.

Kate Beere:

Well, work for Jim Carrey. Right. Yeah. You know?

Eric Deschamps:

And and let’s face

Kate Beere:

it, the

Eric Deschamps:

power of visualization. Like, in the world of sport, I was just reading a study, and I’m gonna I won’t remember exactly where I read it, but I’ll try to dig it up for the show notes, where they were, they they did an experiment with, athletes in the gym training on weights and and Nautilus equipment and the rest. And, they had the control group which continued to use the actual equipment, And then the the 2nd group, just visualize themselves going through the exercises and the moves, each rep. Right? Each They gained 17% muscle mass and never touched a weight. I mean, it’s insane. The power of visualization, Again, like, it’s it’s it’s it’s commonplace in the world of sport now. Like, sport understands the world of sport came to understand this long, long time ago. If you can see it, You can achieve it.

Rob Dale:

Olivier Jean, he talks about how he he had that digital image he created probably Photoshop.

Kate Beere:

Speed skater that was on the show not long ago. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:

And he think about. Not long ago. Yeah. And he

Rob Dale:

photoshopped him standing on the podium in Vancouver.

Eric Deschamps:

Right.

Rob Dale:

And he stood on the podium on on Vancouver. Now you’re the scrapbook queen.

Eric Deschamps:

Really? Yeah.

Rob Dale:

She was.

Eric Deschamps:

Oh, she was.

Rob Dale:

Yeah. Yeah. We, it was fun. The day we did marketplace where she sold all her scrapbooking stuff, was an eye opener to me to a part of Wendy that I

Wendy Dodds:

Let’s just say we probably could have paid for our house in cash. Probably wouldn’t have a mortgage. Right. But, yes, I have done a lot of vision boards. One of the ones that’s most memorable to memorable to me? And we’re all parents here now. Our our kids are older. But I did one with my girls once, probably about 5 years ago around things that They enjoyed, things that they liked, things that they wanted to do, some of our favorite quotes, and we put it all together, and we hung it up, in the kitchen. And they just loved looking at that and referencing that.

Wendy Dodds:

So I’m very much a hands on type person. Also love the digital aspect, which there’s so many other tools. But as humans, we are so visual. When I’m coaching a class on the fitness side? I will often say visual is memorable.

Kate Beere:

Mhmm. See the target, hit the target. Mhmm. See the target, hit the target because

Wendy Dodds:

so good. We’re just that’s just how we’re wired. So if you can’t see your target and you don’t have that, you know, visually in front of you, you’re or you you don’t have your compass, your road map to

Kate Beere:

go to.

Wendy Dodds:

So, having a vision board where you’re seeing that every day for you guys crafting one together. I love that. I think we

Eric Deschamps:

could do that. You know what I what I as you’re talking about this, I mean, I’m gonna geek out for a second here.

Rob Dale:

All I can the odd target. Oh, you. I stand. On target.

Eric Deschamps:

1977, New Hope, Star Wars, Luke Skywalker at the very end in in the trench, right, flying his x wing through the trench, trying to take out the death star, and he’s got all these reasons to not wanna be there. People are trying to take him out, but he stays on target, and he wins the day. If you can see it, you can achieve it. But if we can’t see it, then anything will do. Right? And I think that’s why a lot of people stay asleep at the wheel of their own life. Without without a dream, without a vision of where I’m going, I’m just existing. I’m just waking up every day, and I’m taking up energy and space and time, But I I’m not moving towards anything meaningful or anything, important. And so, like, for anyone doubting the importance of vision, vision Is what gets you out of bed in the morning and keeps you on track and becomes, in many ways, again, like that compass, every decision, every potential opportunity, right, gets measured by, does it fit? Right? Does this help me move in this direction? And if it doesn’t, then it gets a it’s it’s easy.

Eric Deschamps:

I don’t have to deliberate over it. I don’t have to, Am I gonna miss out on something? No. I’ve already determined what I wanna do, and my vision may evolve and start to include things I hadn’t thought of at the at the beginning. But this is why people feel so lost, I think. They just have no sense of purpose, direction, or destiny.

Wendy Dodds:

Or they’re and they’re overwhelmed.

Eric Deschamps:

And they’re overwhelmed.

Wendy Dodds:

Because they just don’t know that’s a that’s a big obstacle that’s on that.

Kate Beere:

Getting stuck on the how well, how am I gonna get there? Right. Like, what’s the point of dreaming? Like, that’s ridiculous. I’m never gonna I’m never gonna be able to get there. We’re we’re we’re taught in society that dreaming is it’s a dream. Right. Meaning, it’s not something you ever achieve. And I’m not saying vision is assume of dream, but a lot of what’s in a personal vision is tied to big dreams. Yeah.

Kate Beere:

But we really are taught as as a society that you know, oh, you’re such a dreamer. Right? Like, they’re

Eric Deschamps:

Like, it’s like that’s a bad

Kate Beere:

thing. Yeah.

Rob Dale:

And yet, when we’re children,

Kate Beere:

Oh, man.

Rob Dale:

All we do.

Kate Beere:

It’s all we do.

Rob Dale:

It’s all we do is we dream up these realities. We dream these scenarios. Right? We’ve lost, and we talk about it So often on the show, the importance of embracing the inner child. And the inner child, you don’t have to convince an a child to dream. You don’t have to have a you know, they they their imagination runs rampant, and and we we’ve lost that because of all this noise and things that we’ve just talked about. If we can get back to just give yourself permission to dream.

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. Yeah. I listed as a child. You said that, growing up, I had 2 imaginary friends growing up.

Kate Beere:

One

Eric Deschamps:

of them was mister Timber. He was a lumber I

Kate Beere:

don’t know any of that.

Eric Deschamps:

Love. You’re hearing about it first time, the show. About it first time. Right? Mister Timber, who is a lumberjack, and he and I would spend all kinds of time keeping myself busy. My My brother was 2 years older. My sister, 5 years older. My parents, very busy in their business, so I had lots of time to myself. Mister Timber was one of them.

Eric Deschamps:

And then my favorite was the Red Baron. And the Red Baron, I would put on a cap, and a and goggles, and I would put a scarf around my neck Like, I was a pilot, in World War one. Right? And I would literally, wait for my family to be gathered in a a room of the house, usually in the family room, And I would literally come running in and just throw myself up on the air and belly flop onto the floor, of the of the family room like I was trying to fly, but couldn’t get couldn’t any air. But I would lots of laughs, and you guys know me. I love to make people laugh. That’s been my part. But this whole notion of dreaming

Kate Beere:

I’m still in shock,

Rob Dale:

sir.

Kate Beere:

A mister Timmer.

Eric Deschamps:

I’m not suggesting you make up, like, these crazy personalities, but there’s something think about the freedom there that, I I was able to, even as a child, enjoy myself, have fun. Even without these external factors, there was something about dreaming, and the imagination, that is liberating. And I think as adults, we’ve lost that. We are in for the most part, we are in Survival mode. We are in fight or flight. We are just dealing with 1 problem. We’re we’re firefighters, right, that are just putting 1 fire out and dealing with another. But we’re not stopping to say, what do I want my life to represent? Where the fuck am I going? And am I okay with where I’m going?

Rob Dale:

You know what? And and let’s let’s not, leave that thought too quickly because I think it’s in a What?

Eric Deschamps:

The red baron? Do you want me to tell my story?

Rob Dale:

Definitely want us to leave the red baron. Although Although I was gonna say, here’s a challenge because I really wanna see this as a as a short on living richly at some point. It’s you coming running into the, law. I I hate I I think I

Eric Deschamps:

would hurt myself now if I tried

Rob Dale:

to repeat that study. My

Kate Beere:

honesty in the moment. But but

Rob Dale:

is this idea that I am just Trying to survive the day, and you want me to think about what, where I wanna be in 5 years. So what do we say to that? How do we how do we encourage peep because I don’t think it’s It’s it’s again, it’s not the either or. Yes. You I get that people are focused on survival of

Kate Beere:

the day.

Rob Dale:

They’re they They’ve got their needs, their crisis, whatever they’re going in. But if we only stay there and we never give even if it’s even if all we can do right now is give 10% Towards vision while we’re 4 90% on today. Even that is is a significant step away from just being so consumed with where you are that we never take the if we spend all our time consumed with where we are, we’ll never be able to get to that desired future.

Eric Deschamps:

Well, let’s talk then about, like, what are the things that that hold people back? What are the limiting factors that that are the resistors, I guess, that that that hold people back from actually developing this vision for their lives from your perspective? What what’s stopping people?

Wendy Dodds:

Other people’s opinions.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. At all times, I went right back

Wendy Dodds:

to mister Timber and the Red Baron.

Eric Deschamps:

See? Yes. See? You’re you’re now my favorite of he used to be my favorite. Well, no. You’ve always been the favorite.

Kate Beere:

But what

Rob Dale:

Sorry. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Happy, but I haven’t.

Eric Deschamps:

See how how quickly I corrected

Kate Beere:

yourself.

Wendy Dodds:

Say this. When you were in that phase, you gave 0 fucks what anybody thought.

Eric Deschamps:

Yep.

Wendy Dodds:

You just went and you loved it. You let your imagination go wild. Yeah. But now we get so caught up in

Eric Deschamps:

Oh, so good.

Wendy Dodds:

What are my friends gonna think? What are my what’s my family gonna think? What’s everybody else gonna think? What does Instagram think?

Kate Beere:

Oh, jeez.

Wendy Dodds:

All of that stuff. Right? So somewhere along the way, we become very conditioned to Give more of a shit about what other people think we’re supposed to be doing instead of what we really want to do.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. Wow.

Eric Deschamps:

Wow. Wow. Wow. So I think about it. At the at the end of the day, I remember one saying, like, we we stress so much about other people’s opinions, other people’s evaluations, And and yet, they probably spend they probably care 0 fucks about what we’re doing and spend so little energy Evaluating us. They may pass judgment. They may think what we’re doing is crazy. But, honestly, the amount of time and energy they put into that is so small, And yet, we treat it as though it’s the end of the world, right, if my friends don’t agree.

Eric Deschamps:

And let’s talk about family for a second. Like, family family is great. I love family. Don’t I’m not trying to diss family, but Family, when you’re developing a dream, when you’re trying to dream about the future, often, you gotta be real careful about going to family and even some friends. And and the reason that I say that is because friends and family want to protect us. And so often, they’ll rain on our parade because they don’t want us to take a risk and get hurt. The other times is our dreaming, your dreaming. You start dreaming of a better tomorrow.

Eric Deschamps:

You start taking active steps. You will make everybody around you who has settled for mediocrity and settled for status quo, you will make them uncomfortable, and they’re gonna start to wanna Pull you back down, right? Because the very fact that you’re rising is, reveals that they’re not.

Kate Beere:

Absolutely. But and I’ve said this before in the show, but if you knew how little other people actually think about you, you wouldn’t care. Oh, it

Wendy Dodds:

is so true. But you wouldn’t you wouldn’t care.

Kate Beere:

But I do think it’s a good point, like when we’re talking about the fear of what other people think is, I think, start small. Just, like, do it for yourself. Write it down for it’s not it’s not for approval. It’s not for the world. It’s for you. And if if, you know, that is a fear or something that’s kinda keeping you back a little bit, keep it for yourself until you feel a little bit more solid in your belief

Eric Deschamps:

Right.

Wendy Dodds:

Yeah. Around it. You don’t have to share everything. Yeah.

Kate Beere:

No. Want to share.

Eric Deschamps:

Surround yourself with people that are going to encourage your dream

Kate Beere:

Yeah. And are

Eric Deschamps:

going to actually, instead of throwing, Water on your on that fire. They’re gonna throw gas on it. Right? They’re gonna they’re gonna encourage you and push you forward. And so that’s not always gonna be Family and your immediate circle of friend. Hopefully, you’ve got in your immediate circle of friends people like that. I think another thing that holds people back big time Is the lack of belief they have in themselves. How can they believe that tomorrow will be any better when they have such a low opinion of themselves? Agree or

Kate Beere:

disagree?

Rob Dale:

Oh, 100%. 100%. You talk about people that have achieved, their their vision. One of the Things that you will often hear is that they had to go through that when they first crafted that, when they first wrote that down, when they first, you know, kinda came up with the idea. They did. That’s exactly what they did is they looked and went, not me. Like, this is somebody else could have achieved this or somebody else could do this, but not me. And they have to overcome that initial doubt in self.

Rob Dale:

It ties into what’s one of the most common things we hear, From leaders, business owners. Right? It’s the impostor. Enough. Yeah. The I’m not enough, and and I’m not I’m in the impostor syndrome right now. Yeah. If spent time knew the real me. So there’s a lack of belief.

Rob Dale:

Absolutely. I think it affects more than anything else. It would affect how people develop their vision.

Eric Deschamps:

I mean, I lived for so many, So many years, I lived with a deep belief in the human spirit, a deep belief in possibility for everybody else. And yet for me, I didn’t deserve it. Yeah. Right? I I described the deep self loathing that I lived with for so many years. And so for me, I I really came to believe That my journey, my burden is to carry this and that I’m gonna help others, but to even believe that I could have a life that Is I designed and that is meaningful to me and that makes me happy. There was zero belief that that was even within the realm of possibility. And so so it’s like the beginning of vision. You have to actually believe that you’re worthy of it, that you deserve it, that each of us have been placed on on this planet, right? For a for for to to live our best life, to achieve our full potential, and anything less is is like throwing potential away.

Kate Beere:

Yeah. And it’s it’s okay for the people who are like me who get stuck in the how. Like, I don’t know. If you wanna go to the moon, and that’s, like, a really big like, I wanna travel to I’m just throwing one out there that’s really out there. But

Eric Deschamps:

Literally, really out

Kate Beere:

there. Like, what a lot of people will do and why they they cut their dreams so quickly is they they move into well, like. That’s not possible. How could that ever there’s some there’s a million ways that might happen. Right. So let go of figuring it all out, but just start getting comfortable even with your dream, with that big vision. Even with your dream, with that big vision. Yeah.

Kate Beere:

Sit with it for a while.

Rob Dale:

When Kennedy, When Kennedy declared in the in the states, when he declared by the end of the decade, we will put a man on the moon Yeah. There was, something in the neighborhood of about a 1000000 things that needed to be done.

Eric Deschamps:

Buck buck mister Fudd. Right, Bucky? Can we Design the critical path.

Rob Dale:

The critical path. And he says that about 700,000 of them had never been invented. They hadn’t been done. Yeah. So so the idea of putting a man on the moon was beyond impossible.

Eric Deschamps:

Yes. Love it.

Kate Beere:

I love it.

Rob Dale:

They still set that tone, and they went they said, okay. Now we’re gonna start to create the path to do that.

Wendy Dodds:

See is so powerful. I think we spend a lot of time thinking about all the things that could go wrong instead of all of the things that could go right, or All of the things that we’re not instead of all of the things that we are. Our our thoughts tend to gravitate to?

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. We’re we’re we’re we’re obsessed with what if it doesn’t work.

Rob Dale:

Well, what if

Kate Beere:

it doesn’t work? What is everyone else’s thing?

Eric Deschamps:

What if we started asking, but what if it does? Yeah. What if it did? Right? What is the possibility that is awaiting me if I’ll just take even those small steps you mentioned?

Kate Beere:

Absolutely. I think in closing, can we do, like, a rapid fire? I’d love know sort of in 1 sentence? Can you kind of pull together the power of personal vision? Anyone wanna take it?

Eric Deschamps:

Yeah. For me, I it’s the phrase, you it’s where you stop waiting for life to give you what What you hope you’ll have, and you start creating the

Kate Beere:

life

Eric Deschamps:

that you’ve been destined to live all along.

Kate Beere:

I love that.

Eric Deschamps:

Stop waiting. Start creating. That’s mine.

Rob Dale:

Yeah. For me, it would be you are the author of your vision, and don’t let someone else write it for you.

Eric Deschamps:

Love it.

Kate Beere:

I love that that.

Wendy Dodds:

I would say for mine, a personal vision would be like a flashlight that you’re holding in your hand to help you Guide yourself down the road. Sometimes they’re dark. Sometimes they’re open. Sometimes they’re bright, but helping guide you down that to be able to fulfill your dream?

Eric Deschamps:

Light in the darkness.

Kate Beere:

Light lay in the darkness. For me, it’s, it’s just possibility.

Wendy Dodds:

I think it’s a word.

Kate Beere:

It’s like anything is possible. Anything is possible.

Eric Deschamps:

Wow. Powerful.

Kate Beere:

Excellent. Conversations. Awesome.

Rob Dale:

Hey. Listen. I know you’re gonna wrap up here a second, but I do wanna challenge out to everyone, and I would say,

Eric Deschamps:

oh, look. Did you see how you just took over there? That was good, Rob.

Wendy Dodds:

Are we going to the moon?

Rob Dale:

Here’s the challenge, and I know we ask you all the time to like, share, subscribe.

Kate Beere:

Yeah.

Rob Dale:

Whether you’re listening to this on your favorite podcast, Platform. Take a second and jump over to the YouTube channel. If we get 500 likes on the YouTube channel for this episode, I’m going to interview mister Timbre at an upcoming episode.

Kate Beere:

Well, I’ll

Eric Deschamps:

have to I’ll have to dig him up from, my memories. But, Shailesh, accept it.

Kate Beere:

I love it. Thanks, Rob.

Eric Deschamps:

And all I would say is, I mentioned I mentioned this 15 day life vision challenge earlier, that is in currently in development. We’re really excited about how It’s coming together already, and I think it’s gonna be a powerful tool. If you wanna be among the 1st to know when this thing is available, when you can start to use it to to map out your best life, We want you to email us today at info at living richly dot me, and include the word 15 day challenge in either the subject line or the body, and we’ll make sure you’re added to the

Kate Beere:

Awesome. Well, thank you for joining us. It was a great conversation on the power of vision. As we said, like, share, and subscribe. You can find us across all socials. You can also check out our website at living richly dot me where you can get the show notes from today and access all of our other episodes. So until then, continue living your best life.

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