Mastering the Moment – How to Harness the Power of the Present

Mastering The Moment

Eric Deschamps:
Living in the now, being more present, living and mastering the moment. But let’s face it, that’s not an easy thing to do.

Kate Beere:
Don’t criticize it. Don’t judge it. Observe it. Just start to get familiar with those moments when you’re not fully present.

Rob Dale:
Heart of gratitude, a mindset heart of gratitude, a mindset of gratitude, any task is easier to do. Hi, and welcome to the Living Rich Leaf podcast. So glad that you are here with us today. This is an exciting, episode because we’re gonna be going back to the quadrant model, but not exactly the part that we’ve talked about, in the past. Mhmm. We are kinda going into the quadrant within the quadrant within the quadrant. And we’re gonna be talking about mastering the moment.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Eric, this is some stuff that you’ve been kinda unpacking and building out as part of the Living Richly model. Maybe take a few minutes and just give us a little sense of where we’re going today and how it fits into the bigger picture.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Absolutely. The, again, the what was the original quadrant model that came out of, our journey, my journey of transformation, that second great awakening that I refer to in spring of 2022 was what has become the foundations of the 15 day challenge, which is designing the life you’ve you’ve always dreamed of, which is actually in the larger models, I continue to reflect on it and think about what it takes to live your best life and achieve your full potential. There was more to the story. And so that actually is part 3. That’s quadrant number 3 of 4. And a few shows back, we talked about reclaiming your story Right. And, how our relationship with our past and resetting that can be so important.

Eric Deschamps:
That’s kinda quadrant number 1. Sorry. Quadrant number 2 is design the life you’ve always dreamed of. Quadrant number 3, which we’re looking at today, is something that we hear a lot about, which is living in the now, being more present, living, and mastering the moment. But let’s face it. That’s not an easy thing to do. And we’re gonna approach the conversation today. It’s a bit of an exploration because I’m curious to see what you guys think about it.

Eric Deschamps:
These are kinda my thoughts and how I’ve approached it, but curious to see what you think. And we’re gonna be coming at it from 4 basic dimensions. Wholehearted presence, we’re talking about deep engagement. We’re gonna talk about, intentional choices and then fostering, connection. So so let’s jump in. And, Kate, I’m gonna throw this first question to you. Mhmm. This the greatest gift we give other people is our full time and attention Right.

Eric Deschamps:
In this day and age, for sure. I think it’s the 1 of the most valuable resources we can give someone. When I say, the phrase wholehearted presence versus divided attention

Rob Dale:
Mhmm. What

Eric Deschamps:
does that stir up for you?

Kate Beere:
It’s my whole life. Play. It’s it’s everything I battle with every single day. So I’ve done a lot of work, get your mindset as part of that, to help me get present. So just to get aware of what I’m doing right now, be here. Don’t be in the car on our way to Canadian Tire right now. Right? So be which is where we’re going after. So, like, being here in the moment for me is is really, really, really a work in progress.

Kate Beere:
I will say that. As a mom, as a woman, we multitask Yeah. All of the time. We are constantly thinking about the milling things we have to do to keep the day organized, to keep everything moving. It’s also what I do for a living. My role within Bold Lip and the business is I keep us organized. I keep all projects running. I keep everything running.

Kate Beere:
Like so I am constantly in this flux of sort of doing 8000000 things at once and also trying to balance, be present. Be present. Like, we’ve talked about this where when we’re together, and we just talked about this on another show, if we are feeling like the other person’s on their phone and they’re not present, we you know, we’ve agreed that you’re it’s okay to say, hey. Can you put your phone down? Yeah. Get to mindset for me has helped me when I’m, like, washing the dishes, and I’m thinking about everything else I have to do. I’m not saying you have to enjoy washing the dishes, but I get present to what the dishes mean. The dishes mean, oh, I just had this amazing dinner with my kids, and, oh, I’m so happy my kids are here. And so taking those moments to to allow myself to get more present.

Kate Beere:
But it’s for me, it’s this dichotomy that is it’s this dance that I it’s ever still flowing for

Rob Dale:
me every day. It’s interesting. I, when I think of that notion of your your that that total focus versus the, you know, divided Yeah. Attention. 1 of the things that comes to mind for me was actually at a conference that you and I were both doing some training at. And I talked in in in my presentation, part of the conversation was around active listening. And I took them through an exercise where they were 1 person was the teller, and the other person was the hearer, and then they would have these conversations. And and the goal was, 1 of the things they had to practice was not thinking about their response while the person was talking, right, but being so focused in on what the person was saying, and then asking follow-up clarifying questions.

Rob Dale:
And I asked They did this exercise for for maybe 5 minutes, and I asked afterwards, so what was that experience like? The the tellers, the people who were sharing the story said, I’ve I felt so heard. The Oscars made the statement, I felt so in the moment. Ah, interesting. I love that. In that moment. So that’s kinda how I’m thinking of those 2, how they separate themselves.

Eric Deschamps:
Well, what a what a great example because I think a lot of folks in conversation were listening for our next opportunity to say something

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
As opposed to truly being present to hear what they’re saying.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Yeah. And it is about all that intentionality. Right? It’s stopping and listening versus moving and hearing, and being really intentional about that. And I don’t think it’s something that just you fix. I think to your point, Kate, it’s it’s a work in progress where sometimes you need to pull back and be like, okay. I’m hearing, but I’m not actually listening to what you’re saying

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
And knowing what your triggers are and adjusting as as you need to.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Definitely work in progress for me as well. I mean, I’m I’m like a man on the move. I’m a entrepreneur at heart. I love business. I love creating. I love pushing myself to new levels, and, I think that’s part of why I’m how I’m wired, but it can lead me to be elsewhere. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
When I’m in the moment, my mind is on something else. In the past, in former versions of myself, I think there was a lot of past stuff. It still shows up now but less than before. But I think there’s so many forces that are pulling us out of the moment. Mhmm. Right? Either our past that’s plaguing us or haunting us or future stresses that may or may never show up, but we’re hardly we’re we’re anything but in the moment. And, when we talk about mastering the moment, to me, it’s not about doing it perfectly. Perfection’s never the goal.

Eric Deschamps:
But what if we could be more present, like, 10% of the time, 15% of the time, 20% of the time? How would that change our reality, and how would it change the reality of people around us?

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Can can you guys share an example of of when divided attention impacted your life negatively, and how did that feel?

Kate Beere:
It’s, like, all the time for me. Like, for me, it just shows up when I’m trying to do way too many things at once. It’s when I overcommit, and I’m not really delivering on anything well. It’s that moment where I’m like, I’m not doing anything well. So, like

Eric Deschamps:
too thin almost. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
I think in COVID, for me, I remember talking to other moms who had kids at home and who were single parenting. And you’ve got 3 kids, and they’re all in online classes in different rooms and need different things. And I’m trying to work, and I’m trying to help my mom, and I’m trying and I’m like, I just don’t feel like I’m doing anything well.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Kate Beere:
And it’s that feeling for me is when I’m like I so talk about mastering none. I’m mastering in that moment feeling awful. And it’s it’s not because I could have been doing anything better, but sometimes for me, I always use that example. It’s when I over commit and I spread myself too thin, I feel exactly like I did when I was in COVID.

Wendy Dodds:
It’s kinda my mark.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. And and so many leaders talk to us, during that time when we were helping them navigate that season. And so many leaders told me, and I’m sure that told you the same, that they felt exactly that way. They felt like they weren’t really succeeding at work because of this new dynamic, and they weren’t really succeeding at parenting and schooling their kids. Right? I think it was a that was a real mind fuck, I think, for a lot of people. Right?

Wendy Dodds:
Yep. Yeah. And I think it ties a lot into guilt as well. Yeah. I, you know, I do remember a very specific example, when I was working in the HR space. Go, go, go, do, do, do, do, hustle, hustle, hustle. And I was at my daughter’s baseball game, and I was respond she was up to bat, and I was of course, I’m sitting back, so she can’t see me, but I’m responding literally on my phone to an HR question, and I missed her hit. And she turned, she came back.

Wendy Dodds:
She’s like, mom, you missed my hit. And I was like, no. No. No. I saw it. And she’s like, no. You were on your phone. So not only did I feel like shit for missing it, I also lied about it and felt even worse.

Wendy Dodds:
And the look on her face, like, I will and I was so felt so guilty for not being in the moment for what? Like, responding to nothing. Right?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. It’s in there.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. It’s it’s interesting because you use the language of multitasking

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Earlier. And, of course, there’s been lots written about the myth of multitasking. Right? Yeah. It doesn’t actually work. Yeah. No. I’m I’m not fully convinced that it’s a myth because I do think we we we are actually capable of multitasking. For example, you can drive a vehicle and have a conversation at the same time.

Rob Dale:
A lot of it goes to autopilot. Right, our brains are our brains are the most sophisticated computer, but the argument that against multitasking people use is computers. That computers don’t actually multitask. They just do singular tasks incredibly fast, created microseconds. But the notion but we do know is that when we attempt to multitask, and I know this is true for me where where it becomes an issue, is you don’t do anything well. Right. Yeah. That notion of and then you do feel stressed because when you are multitasking, the time it takes for you to go back from 1 task to the next I forget what the the stats are or what it is, but it’s it’s like 15 minutes or something like that for you to fully get back engaged in what you were doing when you stop doing it, let’s say, to check email and then go back.

Rob Dale:
So I think there’s so many ways and so many examples of where it it doesn’t serve us well. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And I think there’s just times when multitasking for me is it’s actual survival. Like, I’m brushing my teeth, and I remember, shit. I forgot to sign my daughter up for, whatever, volleyball in the summer, and I keep forgetting. And so I’ll brush my teeth and type in my phone because I’m gonna forget. And sometimes, it’s just, like, it’s just the way I’m I’m my brain is ping ponging. And if I don’t capture what I just hit, it’s gone. And then I’ll forget again.

Kate Beere:
And then so sometimes for me, it’s that too. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s it’s often been we’ve heard the term mindfulness, so we use it for the mindfulness masculinity series. Mindfulness is often, talked about as being in the moment, living in the moment, focusing on what you’re doing while you’re doing it. And I remember saying on 1 of our earliest episodes, I think we weren’t even at double digits yet. And I said, oh, I’ve been mindful my whole life. I had a mind full of anxiety and stress. Right? I was just I was focused on all the wrong things. Yeah. And, we all have multiple things pulling at us to take us off take our eye off the prize and and and to obsess over.

Eric Deschamps:
But again, what if we could what if we could reduce the noise, turn down the noise on that just a little and turn up more of the noise to show up more intentionally more of the time, which I think is what it’s all about. For me, the the biggest area that I think again more of a recurring theme than a single event, was, with my kids. Just I was young. I was a young leader. I had a lot of pressure on me to perform. It was all about, in those days back when I was a pastor, it was all about the church, God, the church, and somewhere family fell into 3rd place or something like that. And I tried. I think I was a good dad, but there’s moments where I was just mentally and emotionally checked out.

Eric Deschamps:
I just wasn’t I was there physically with them, but I was somewhere, somewhere else. And and I I saw the pain that caused my kids. And if there’s a place where I hear the voice of shame the most, it’s probably 1 of the places where it’s it’s it’s most frequent for me. What strategies have you guys found effective in cultivating being in the moment? Right? In an age of dis we live in the age of disruption, it’s called. The age of distractions might be another way to put it. We, we live in the world of, digital zombies, like, where devices now steal all of our time and attention. What are the strategies that you guys use on a regular basis to try to cultivate more presence, being more in the moment?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Like a practical, practical 1 that I started 10 years ago, which no 1 ever did for me, I’m gonna talk work, is I turn off all my notifications. And I they’ve been off since they’ve been off for 10 years. They’re off my phone. They’re off my computer. So you know when an email comes in and it pings and everyone’s like and their Slack goes off and everything goes off, everything is silent for me. I have badges with numbers that I can go look at. But the difference with that is that it’s my choice when I open my email.

Kate Beere:
It’s my choice when I open my Slack to see who’s messaging me. Because what happens, you know, talk about multitasking, but when you’re do you’re let’s say I’m working on a report, and someone ding I’m over here already. And I’m I’m already replying to that email, and I’ve completely lost track and focus of where I am. So and it seems like, like, everyone’s like, oh, yeah. I do that. I’m like but but, actually, like, I’m on snooze for everything. And and a lot of people are nerve well, what if I miss something and it’s really urgent? I’m like, there’s nothing that that’s urgent.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Unless you work in an emergency department

Rob Dale:
or a

Kate Beere:
fire department. Relative. Right. Yeah. Right. But that has that has served me so well, and it actually helps reduce my anxiety because I’m not getting pinged.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Wendy Dodds:
I think that’s that’s amazing. I’ve learned to, just to piggyback on that Yeah. To not become obsessed when my notifications, like at Facebook, for instance, like, if I have 10 note, it’s fine. Like, I don’t need to check them right away to clear them all. I don’t it’s fine. I’ll get to it when I get to it. I hate starting the day reactive. And because of the type of work I’m in where I’m client facing, I am on all day.

Wendy Dodds:
Right? When you’re client facing, nobody gives a shit about what’s going on that you like, I’m there to serve them. And so at the end of the day or even at the beginning of the day, knowing that I’m on all the time, at the end of that, having silence for me is key because I don’t wanna people anymore. Yeah. I just I need that silence in the morning. So when I do wake up in the morning, even if I’m sitting up having my tea, a lot of times I’m not on my phone yet because I don’t wanna see what’s on Facebook. I don’t wanna see what’s going on. Like, yes, So I think there’s a balance of being informed, but I don’t wanna always be tied to checking, looking, and responding.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I have a love hate relationship with devices and social media Yeah. For that very reason. Love it in terms of it’s necessary for business, and there is some enjoyment you get out of it. But it can become so problematic and so all consuming, that you’re constantly checking your phone for, you know, the FOMO you described.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Maybe I missed something, and I don’t wanna miss anything. And, how many of us have, like, checked our email on our phone and then checked it again, like Yeah. Just in case in the last split second something else came in. Right? Yeah. 1, 1 tool I’ve been using recently, I started experimenting with an app called Freedom. I’ll put the, the the link in the show notes, but it literally you can program and schedule times where it just shuts it all off. So you still have internet access if you still need to access your email, whatever. You get to control which apps, which websites it turns on and off.

Eric Deschamps:
And the the the the special sauce is you can set put a setting in there that once the schedule starts, you can’t disable it. And so I’ve been doing that in the morning so that when I get up in the mornings, I know know, if I’m having my cup of coffee rather than start needlessly going through my phone and starting my day in that state that I start paying

Wendy Dodds:
more closer attention.

Eric Deschamps:
I wanna start introducing, I just did it wrong the

Rob Dale:
other night and turned off everything. We couldn’t even ask Netflix. We couldn’t call you. Watch your movie, and we couldn’t even watch Netflix because I I was like, no.

Eric Deschamps:
So so I’ve reset it now. I need to re enable it, but even in the evenings after, like, 9 PM. Yeah. I don’t need it anymore.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. I just Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Even even, like, how many of you you have watched a movie, you’re sitting there watching a movie, you’re watching a game, and you’re also scrolling your phone at the same time. I’m like, for the love of god, can we not focus on 1 thing and just choose an activity and focus on the

Rob Dale:
whole part

Eric Deschamps:
of the plan?

Rob Dale:
To that is yes. We can. Yeah. Yes. We may not think we can. And, you know, to to couple of thoughts that I have around this around too is and I love that the Freedom app, it’s it’s something you mentioned before, and I I wanna look into it. You know, the the I know you always your your phone’s almost always on do not disturb. 1 of the things I do to safeguard, you know, know, what if there’s an emergency is certain people.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. My kids. Right? They’re in my favorites, and they have they they can get get around that.

Eric Deschamps:
They can get in.

Rob Dale:
They get in regardless. Right. Yeah. But, I know 1 of the practices that I’ve gotten into about being in the moment and, again, it goes back to those conversations piece. I am I have practiced and gotten, I think, pretty good at focusing in on whomever is is speaking. So even if Wendy comes over and is talking, we got the game on or whatever, if what she’s saying is important, this is the beauty now of streaming services. I can pause the game and still not miss it. I’m not gonna miss it.

Rob Dale:
I I don’t have to just mute it. I can pause it and then just hit play, and I can I’m right back where I am, to be able to do that. But to focus in and have eye contact with someone and to really connect, it was interesting because you were there when we were speaking at this conference. And 1 of the comments you made to me afterwards, and I and it really made me feel good that it was noticed because it’s deliberate is she said

Kate Beere:
I don’t know what this was.

Eric Deschamps:
I don’t know what I said.

Rob Dale:
You said What did she say? She said, you’re so comfortable with silence. And it was in the moment if I ask a question or if somebody says something, I’m so comfortable with with taking a few seconds to contemplate what I wanna say next and not feel like I need to be right away on

Kate Beere:
Feel the air.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. I think that’s a great strategy for people is to be able to slow down.

Wendy Dodds:
Count to 10. Whatever.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don’t slow down. Yep. Your voice I was waiting for you to jump.

Kate Beere:
Oh, no.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. No. No.

Rob Dale:
But to slow down with the what’s going on between the ears Yeah. When we’re in a moment.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Absolutely. I I think, the discomfort with silence. You think of, the moment when we talk about the moment. It’s all we’re guaranteed. Right? Mhmm. We’ll never get back No. The time that we’ve already lived.

Eric Deschamps:
Nope. And we’re not guaranteed anything beyond this 1. No. And yet most of us are living right at either extreme, and we’re missing what’s happening right in front of us all the time. If you had the ability, right, out of the box question, the power to turn off all distractions globally, Right? For 1 day, what do you think people would notice most?

Rob Dale:
I think people would lose their shit. Right? Like like, I know that when you asked when you when when I contemplated that question, I was like, for 1 day, 1 day, people would lose their shit. They would not know what they would be so uncomfortable. People would be panicking. It would take a few days. It’s it’s no different. You you ever hear people, they talk about, oh, I go on a vacation, and I need the first 3 days. I just need to decompress.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. That used to be me, not anymore.

Rob Dale:
Not me. Right? Yeah. I’m decompressing 2 days before. Exactly. Right. But but but that’s the reality for a lot of people. So when I think of turning everything off for 1 day, it’s like you’re not they’re not even decompressed at that point because they’ve never learned how at that point, people are the silence would terrify people. It would take, I think, a few days, but I do think after a few few days, most people would be like, oh my god.

Rob Dale:
This is this is wonderful.

Wendy Dodds:
Well and I think it would force people to connect because Yeah. You know, especially during COVID, and I see it, you know, even working with those in in a younger generation, they really struggle with, as do adults, connecting and creating conversation because they’re so tied to, their devices. I was, and we miss so much of that. I was driving by a school bus the other day, and we were at a stop sign or whatever, and so the bus was on the other side. And I was looking literally, this just happened a couple of days ago, and every kid had their head down on the phone. And then another bus was right behind, same thing. And I was like, it just made me so sad because I thought when I was a kid and when I when I was riding the school bus, we were laughing and and joking and, like, talking and whatever. And, like, it was just a a bizarre thing to see.

Wendy Dodds:
And I was like, oh,

Rob Dale:
they’re all lots of people.

Eric Deschamps:
With each other, but They they

Rob Dale:
right. They’re talking to them. Their points. They’re talking to some side.

Kate Beere:
Kids text me from upstairs. God forbid they should actually, like, come downstairs. Right. Yeah. But

Wendy Dodds:
I And where are you?

Kate Beere:
I agree. I think people would connect over time. Like, where I see it is, like, when we go to the cottage and there’s no Internet, and it’s forced no Internet. And you you you actually unplug because you you you’re forced to. And when it forces your hand at the beginning, you check your phone a million times. You do. It’s a habit. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
And then, eventually, you you don’t. And what it does is it it and I remember with my kids when we didn’t have Internet at the cottage, what a different experience. Like, they’re on the water. They’re laughing. I would see all 3 of my kids playing together, which, like, never happens. We would play board games, and it’s connection. And it’s that pure connection that happens knowing it’s temporary. Like, if it I think if everyone’s like, oh, it’s the end of the world.

Kate Beere:
But knowing it’s temporary and it’s in a bubble, it’s amazing what happens

Rob Dale:
when you do the about it when there’s, you made me think of when there’s a power outage. Yeah. Like, a a longer power outage. Right? Like, and you you know the power is gonna be out for 4 or 5 hours. Yeah. Suddenly, you’re lighting some candles. You’re pulling out a board game.

Kate Beere:
Totally.

Rob Dale:
And and completely different experience.

Eric Deschamps:
Sam and I, my 18 year old son, we, we checked in with each other recently. Just, hey. How’s it going? There have been some changes about, where he’s living. He would have been living half time with, my accent and me. Now he’s living full time with me. So we’re about 4 or 5 months into that new arrangement and kinda checking it out. Is that going? Whatever else. And we had some great conversations about some things that we need to, maybe how we just do this better together in a nice open conversation with my 18 year old was great.

Eric Deschamps:
And I love that he had the courage to tell me. He says, you know, 1 of the favorite things that we do is we’ll sit down, have dinner together, and we’ll put on a show that we really like. It can be a cartoon that we really like or a movie that we really like, and that’s part of, part of how we hang out together. He says, but, dad, oftentimes, you either fall asleep because it’s often right after work and I’m tired or you’re on your phone. And I said, you’re not wrong. Right? I so now I’ve made the effort. When we sit down, I leave the phone in the kitchen, and I sit there and I’m right? Just to be more present. Even though we’re not we’re we’re not talking that much, we’re just sitting by we’re doing something together.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Being here right now. And that’s what really deep meaningful engagement, is is really all about. Part of it let’s talk about when we talk about being in the moment. There’s this state of flow that people refer to where you get involved into something, you’re doing something, and you lose track of time. Right? Time just, like, go and you feel you’re just, like, in this state of focus and and productivity and and bliss almost. What what’s what’s a recent experience where you’ve lived through that or you had that? What were you doing, and what triggered that deep engagement for you?

Rob Dale:
Well, I mean, I yeah. So, Steve, maybe the question should have been, have you have you experienced that before? Well, I I think for me, certainly recently would have been the wedding night, but even just the days, the the few days leading

Eric Deschamps:
to the wedding. Necessarily a state of flow. It’s where you just got lost in

Kate Beere:
In moments. No.

Rob Dale:
But so present. And and I think for those few days, like, we we kind of we joked leading up to the weekend, prior to the wedding. We knew all the family was coming in. We were like, okay. You ready? Like, it’s gonna be like, we are gonna be it’s gonna be a whirlwind for the next few days, and and that’s what I anticipated it to be, and it was the opposite. It was like, in many ways, time slowed down, and there was just so many wonderful moments. Some of them captured, some of them not captured. You know, whether that was you know, again, I’ve shared on a just last couple episodes, I’ve talked a bit about the conversation the the the Google Home, and and all of a sudden we’re playing name that tune, and and everybody’s engaged in that moment, but every no one’s on their phone at that point.

Rob Dale:
Everybody’s just having fun, so much laughter and everything like that. And then the wedding night itself. Like, I was, it’s funny. We just watched again, of course, everybody out. It’s funny to see because we are in the moment, and everyone who is at the wedding has got their phones up taking pictures and recording and all this stuff, right, which we so appreciate. Yeah. Yeah. But watching that over again, and I remember that night just sitting there, at 1 point sitting at the at the table as everybody was engaged, literally just watching you guys, my friends, my family, just engaging with each other, the laughter and the rich conversations, and just taking in the moment.

Rob Dale:
I was nothing else was in my mind, but that it

Eric Deschamps:
I love that. I love that. 1 of my favorite, memes that has been circulating the Internet now for several years is a picture of this older lady as she’s standing there in a crowd, and you’re like, the pictures of the crowd facing you, and obviously, the crowd is watching something unfold. And everybody’s got their camera out like this. And she’s standing there leaning on the railing, just taking it all in. I’m going, who’s better off in that moment? Who’s actually taking that moment in as opposed to just recording it perhaps for your social media feed? I get that that lives on and the memories need to be captured, but I think so much time we’re missing out on deep meaningful engagement because we’re wanting to record it for some other purpose.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
And that’s you’re kinda you’re not living in the moment when you’re doing that.

Kate Beere:
Well and that’s for us recently, when we were at the cottage. Mhmm. And we were going out on on our boards. We paddleboard a lot, and I’m like, are you gonna take your phone? You’re like, no. And I’m like, I’m not gonna take my we don’t need our phones. And we went out on the water. Like, it’s nice to capture photos sometimes because it’s so stunning up there, but, like, you don’t wanna be tied to your device. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
We got out on our boards, and it was this beautiful day, and it’s a very quiet lake, and it’s just nature. And we will just stop paddling, and we lie down, and we’ll just

Rob Dale:
Float.

Kate Beere:
Like, float and hold hold boards so we don’t drift apart, and you just listen. And the sounds of water and nature, and that is, like, for me about as lost as you can get in a I love it.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Like, it like, literally, when you just stop everything else that you’re

Kate Beere:
doing Wild.

Eric Deschamps:
The birds seem Louder. More cheerful. Yeah. The sun seems brighter. The sky seems bluer. Yeah. The trees seem greener. You can feel the energy.

Eric Deschamps:
Wild. But we’re often we’re just going mile a minute all the time, and we’re not here. We’re over here, over here. We’re never we’re we’re hardly ever right here.

Rob Dale:
Right? It 1 of the and I’ve shared this story before, and, I hesitate to share it because we love the fact that people listen to our podcast while walking. Yes. But I remember listening to a podcast while walking years ago now. This is probably 8

Eric Deschamps:
It’s before this phenomenal podcast

Rob Dale:
got started. If this podcast was playing, I would most definitely not

Eric Deschamps:
still be listening

Rob Dale:
to podcasts when you walk. But but and and they talked about being in the moment and Right. Being fully present. And this person was describing going for a walk and taking in all of the sounds. And at this point, I was walking in behind Parliament Hill at the Ottawa River and and just the the experience of that, but not hearing any of it. I’m hearing the the speaker in my my ears and stopping, taking that out. And to this day now, when I walk, now most of the time we’re walking together, and we’re engaged in conversation, which is wonderful. But even if I’m just taking Mishka for a walk on my own or just out of my own, I never have something in my ears because I want to hear the birds.

Rob Dale:
I want even in the city, hearing the sounds of the city and everything, but there’s something about that, that we lose because we’re always so connected to the device.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s it’s almost this we’re addicted to this need to perform. And when we’re we’re if we’re walking, we need to be doing something else. If we’re working out, we need to have some other activity going on. And I get that there are moments. I know 1 of my favorite places to watch a podcast or listen to a podcast is when I’m training by myself, in my home gym at home. But there are also moments where I just want nothing else Silent.

Eric Deschamps:
On. We’re just so used to having multiple things going on. We have trained our brains to be uncomfortable with it. And so we keep up this hectic internal pace. And then we wonder why we struggle to gear down

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Right, in daylight. What about for you?

Wendy Dodds:
So for me, all, you know, all the things that I feel like I should be doing but choose not to do. So procrastination is a big thing for me, and then I feel like, no. No. No. It’s gonna be fine because then I’m gonna get this adrenaline high from, you know, cramming everything in, you know, 32 seconds before something needs to be done or is due. But but then I complain that I’m I’m tired and I’m overwhelmed and, I’m not organized and all of this stuff. So, you know, I resist sometimes becoming deep in the moment because of my mind always going, which I think is common for people. And your mind is like a muscle.

Wendy Dodds:
Right? And so it’s that practiced art of learning Doesn’t have to be the best all the time, but Yeah. Learning to balance that out.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. A 100%.

Kate Beere:
And I think it’s, like, to build off that, for me, it’s just the the stress of the reality of and I go back to it, but single mom of 3 kids, like and so work week, and I’ve gotta cook dinner, clean dinner, drive them wherever. I’ve got 8, 000, 000 things I have to get done. It’s almost to the point of, like, if I sit here and I talk to 1 of my kids for 30 minutes, oh, I’m not getting to bed 30 minutes later. I’m now not gonna get you know, I’m gonna be going to bed at 12:30 because I still have to flip the laundry, and then I gotta go pick up this. And so for me, it’s like there’s almost this incremental, like, burden almost that if I spend this time and connect with you, not that I don’t wanna connect with them, but I’m like, okay. Now now I do that, and now I don’t have any of my time. Right? So Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. What about for you? What are some of the resistors?

Rob Dale:
Well, certainly, I I think it would similar, the the the inner critic for sure. When you take that time, it’s it’s you’re being lazy. Why aren’t you doing something else? Why aren’t you doing a bunch of things? Like, what’s being neglected? All of that that you have to then process and deal with for sure. I think that would be at the at the top of it for me would be just that, how do I balance out, hey. This is okay to just be in the moment to pause and just take this in. Other shit will happen. And, you know, you got thinking I got right away thinking about, you know, Stephen Covey talks about in his 7 habits of highly effective people, the the urgency, that that whole matrix. Right? And the fact that so many times we’re so always on to your point that suddenly if I if I actually pause and reflect on something that’s not urgent, then all that’s just gonna stack up.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And now I’m gonna get real trouble because now it’s all behind.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%. I I for me, definitely, it’s holding myself to unrealistic expectations. And, recently, I developed, my a matrix of my own around really kinda taking stock of what I got I’ve got going on in my life, and it falls into 4 knee categories real fast. Like, there’s the obligations. Right? There’s the obligations category.

Eric Deschamps:
These are the things that I have to do. I know get to mindset. We shift that language to I I get to but these are the things I literally have

Rob Dale:
to do

Eric Deschamps:
on a daily basis. My obligations, family, work, that kind of thing. The second category is aspirations. These are the goals of things that I want to do, the things I want to achieve. 3rd category is expectations, right, of myself and others. And are they in line with reality? I get into a lot of trouble in that category. And the last 1 is inspirations. What are the things that I love to set my they set my heart on fire.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? So similar to goals, but slightly different. And what I recognized is that I was moving things from from aspirations and inspirations into the obligations category

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
And putting, unrealistic expectations on my time and energy and then holding myself, to performing at a level that’s just unrealistic, and stressing myself out. And I’m I’m like, oh, wait a second. I actually only committed to do the following.

Rob Dale:
Right. But now I’m over committed.

Eric Deschamps:
What if I just went back to my original commitment, because that’s actually all I’ve said I would do, but I have the tendency to push myself too hard. That’s probably my biggest resistor is I create

Rob Dale:
I create a lot of my stuff. That notion of you shift things into the obligations category. Right? And and I and I’ll just use living richly as an example. Yeah. Alright? We we are on this journey of living our best lives. And so there almost becomes this, well, there’s an obligation that while we we’re we’re on this podcast, we’ve got all these people listening. We have to we have to set that example, and that means means we can never not be living richly.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Rob Dale:
Right? It becomes an obligation. I we have to we’re obligated to do our rituals, and we’re obligated to do all of these things. And I and I can’t help my thought right right away to, our guest in the last episode, Kelly Flanagan, where he talks about the Dalai Lama. And, you know, somebody who followed around, this reporter following him around saying, you know, boy, I wish I could just spend a day with you and just soak up your peace. And and his response was, well, if you spent the whole day with me, you’d also have to soak up my anger and my right? You’d like like, just because you’re seeing the peace now doesn’t mean it’s 247. And I thought, wow. That’s right. Like, I’m I don’t live I’m not living richly 247.

Rob Dale:
No. But so I love how you say that about recognizing aspirations are separate from obligations.

Eric Deschamps:
Totally. And and we often get them confused. But let’s talk about obligations for a minute. Often, in the obligations category, we have those mundane routine tasks that we have to perform.

Kate Beere:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
What are some strategies that you guys use to practice being more deeply engaged even with the nor the the mundane and the routine things in life?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Well, it’s I get you. And I just I use that example of washing the dishes. But for me, that gratitude shift is everything. So there’s just stuff we all have to do in our day. But if for me, if I can switch that I have to to when I get to, it shifts my mood. It shifts my approach. It also gratitude always brings me back to the present.

Kate Beere:
So I’ve said this before on the show, but, like, I have to go pick up my 1 of my kids, or I gotta drive them somewhere, and then use the parent 1 because I’m coming off a long week with my kids, is that, you know, when I switch it right away to when I get to, I sink into gratitude, and that gets me more present, and that brings me more joy. So no. Like and, like, we joke often on the show. We’re like, I get to do the podcast. Like, I get

Rob Dale:
it. Wow. You knew that voice. Yeah. That was great.

Wendy Dodds:
I like the voice, and I like the

Rob Dale:
puppet hands. It was, like and the puppet hands were the best. They were almost like jazz hands, and you could have added jazz hands to that. Jazz hands and puppet hands.

Wendy Dodds:
I get to sit with these people. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
It’s so

Wendy Dodds:
exciting. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
We need to make a difference. So if you’re listening listening to the show, go to

Eric Deschamps:
our YouTube channel and watch this episode. Look at this very moment. 36 minutes in, it’ll be hilarious.

Kate Beere:
But, realistically, that I get to if I I don’t always feel it. You’re not supposed to always feel it to your point, Rob. We’re not always living richly 247. But if you can say it and it can just give you an an inkling, a little bit of gratitude, then it’s worth it.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. I

Wendy Dodds:
use, and I’m pretty consistent with it. I go through seasons, but I call it, my daily 3.

Kate Beere:
Mhmm.

Wendy Dodds:
It can be called, like, a power list or whatever, but I, focus on setting 3 intentions. I try to do them at night, so I’m not thinking about it in the morning on specific things that I would like to get done the next day. And they’re usually very small things, like things that we tend to, oh, I gotta do this. And then right when you’re given the example of brushing your teeth,

Rob Dale:
I forgot to send my daughter

Wendy Dodds:
for volleyball. Things like that where I’m intentionally putting them down because there is satisfaction in crossing stuff off of a list knowing that you’re doing your best to stay organized. And as I get older, I forget shit all the time. But I can rap the lyrics to informer from 1990, which is, like, 30 years old. I don’t know. But don’t remember what I had for breakfast. So Yeah. But because I forget stuff all the time, I find this helps a lot.

Wendy Dodds:
I I do tend to use a timer as well sometimes for my tasks, as well as purposely leave my phone in another room because I know that I will not focus on what I’m supposed to be doing.

Rob Dale:
I love the daily 3, and and it’s something that that I’ve been incorporating as well. In fact, we went so far as down the road here, Wendy’s gonna be under the real life. She’s gonna be launching this kinda challenge, thing that she’s looking into building out. And so right now, we’re doing it with the family. And so we’re calling it the fam jam challenge. Mhmm. And, and it’s interesting to see most of the kids are are embracing it and jumping in on it. And 1 of them is, you know, there’s the daily 3.

Rob Dale:
There’s a number of kinda challenges that we’re doing every day just to keep ourselves on track. And but by doing those, having those to find out and then being some of these they’re they are every 1 of them is a routine task. And it’s often stuff that then gets neglected because it can get dismissed. Yeah. And by having that, making it a challenge with others is is something that’s been pretty, makes it easier to do it. But the daily 3 is something that I’ve certainly loved to to do. But I I go back to, and I’ll I’ll say this is this is the magic of I mean, as much as we were joking there to get to mindset that you’ve created, and that mindset is so critical, especially when it comes to routine stuff. Right.

Rob Dale:
Is that’s where it makes all the difference in the world is your attitude. The the if you can approach it with a heart of gratitude, a mindset of gratitude, any task is easier to do with you with you. The

Eric Deschamps:
The the third dimension about, mastering the now or living in the now, at least the mastering the moment, is making those intentional choices, like aligning your life around your goals, your values, your life vision. This is in direct contrast to we talk about coasting, and drifting through life which is I think a lot what a lot of people do. How do you guys align your daily choices or your your ongoing choices? Align your life in general with your values and the kind of life that you envision?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. It’s a work in progress for me. I think it’s a daily, I’m not gonna say daily because that’s not accurate. So I don’t have to use that term. But I often, throughout the week, will check-in if what I’m doing, does it align, a, with my values? That’s a big 1 for me to know, but also where I wanna go. So I think in we we have talked about this too before on the show, but, intrinsically, you know when something’s off. Mhmm. So you know, you feel it.

Kate Beere:
You might not recognize it, but you don’t feel good if you’re doing something in your day that is maybe not aligned with who you are or what you believe or where you wanna go. I’m not I’m not talking about, like, you don’t feel like taking the garbage out. We all have to take the garbage out. That’s not really what I’m talking about.

Eric Deschamps:
Get to take

Kate Beere:
garbage out. To take

Rob Dale:
garbage out.

Kate Beere:
Now I have no idea what you’re saying.

Rob Dale:
I did not wait. I didn’t mean to throw you off.

Wendy Dodds:
You can play.

Eric Deschamps:
We all have to take the garbage out.

Kate Beere:
I got that part.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I know. I know. We’ll have to

Eric Deschamps:
play it back and

Kate Beere:
Oh, then I’m then I’m getting better

Rob Dale:
at things.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. It’s a work in progress.

Kate Beere:
It’s a work in progress. Well, I know. That.

Rob Dale:
So our values, we talk about it so often on the show. Our values are the compass. Yeah. Mhmm. Right? So it’s not about aligning what we’re doing with our values. It’s do the values align with what we’re doing in the sense that is the is the compass guiding us in the right direction to to do that? And and I’ll go back to, shameless plug, 15 day 15 day life vision challenge. The part about the channel, why I love the challenge so much, and again, for those who haven’t done it, it’s on our website. It’s free.

Rob Dale:
Make sure you check it out. It’s the manifesto that you end with. Right? It’s the here is now my living document Yeah. That can now set the tone Yeah. For all the stuff that I’m doing. Yeah. And the ability to not just say yes to things, but what that, having clear life vision focus, having that clear allows you to say no to so many things.

Kate Beere:
Love that.

Rob Dale:
And that’s why that’s why we so believe in the challenge and why we so encourage people to do it because this is exactly what it brings you to.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. I I love how you put it that way, and I loved how you said, like, you know, we we can feel when we’re out of alignment or when it doesn’t feel right. But I think a lot of folks until you get clear Mhmm. On who you are, what you stand for, What you’re doing doesn’t quite feel right, but you can’t pinpoint. You can’t define it. You’ve just got this this this disease or this this

Kate Beere:
unease Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Unease in in your life, but you can’t define why. Once you know why or you know what you’re about or you’ve done some of that work, you can quickly more quickly identify where am I out of alignment and how do I intentionally bring myself back on course.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Wendy Dodds:
I think that’s great. The only other thing I would add is for for me identifying if it’s whatever I’m doing, if it’s a busy task or productive task.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Because I think that there’s a a very clear difference on, am I being busy? Am I being productive? Yeah. And we could be busy, and Rob and I laugh all the time about because we’re both procrastinators, and we’ll be doing everything else but what whatever our goal was for the day. Right? Like, oh, like, the grass needs cutting, or, oh, I’m gonna reorganize my pantry because suddenly I’ve decided that’s an urgent thing to do. Yeah. But That’s not a productive thing for me to do at that time. Right? And to your point, Rob, on values, does it align with my values and keeping myself in check in survival mode or thrival mode

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
And where that balance lies.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We’ll shift gears to the 4th dimension just because of time we could spend a lot of time talking about all of this. The the last part of this is about fostering deep connections. I think, again, a lot of our conversations, a lot of our connections can be very superficial, and I think it’s because of the way that our culture has evolved, our obsession with devices. Again, you talk about watching kids on a bus, and every single 1 of them has got their head down. Like, our whole culture now, our whole society is gonna end up with neck problems and heart problems because their their head is down looking at their feet all the time, looking at their device.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? And it’s a problem. It’s it’s about the difference between being partially present to deeply connected. And, again, we’re not talking perfection on this front, but what if we could be more connected? What are the things that you guys practice that help you foster more genuine deep connections with yourself, with others, and your environment?

Kate Beere:
I it’s I don’t wanna call it a it’s just it’s I don’t know. Just start, but be I say it all the time. But be aware. Just start getting present. Like, that’s always what my thing is is is be aware when you’re not present. And I think sometimes it’s it’s more sort of you’re more aware of it than you want to think that you are. Like, you’re you’re fully aware if you’re busy in the kitchen and you’re not really engaging with your kids. I’m using my example.

Kate Beere:
I know I’m busy doing busy work. I know I’m cleaning up, and I’m thinking 5 steps ahead. And I’m very aware that I’m not present with my kids. And I think just that step alone is hard for so many people.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
So it’s really about just starting that practice of being aware of when you’re not present. Don’t criticize it. Don’t judge it. Observe it. Just start to get familiar with those moments when you’re not fully present.

Rob Dale:
Right.

Kate Beere:
And and from there, over time, I think you can build more practices to help you get more present.

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Wendy Dodds:
And I think it’s around that progress, not perfection. So maybe it’s Great way put you know, like, setting that intention on, you know, for whatever. 5 minutes today or whatever part of your day I’m gonna focus on, you know, being present. Yeah. Same you know, when I think about mine, it would be taking a true genuine interest in people, and really paying attention, listening and asking questions, whether it’s, you know, friends, family, my staff, people that I’m working with, really learning about them. Now I naturally love connecting and and learning about people anyways, but I’m human like anybody else. You know? My kids will be sharing something or somebody in my life will be sharing, you know, and my mind is thinking about either how I’m gonna respond or or whatever else is going on. Making people feel seen and heard, but also being able to be open about sharing my struggles as well.

Wendy Dodds:
Like the other day, I saw I went to go get a tea at Tim Hortons, and I saw this lady coming out with 4 bags of lone star chips and salsa. And I was like, I want you in my life, and I don’t wanna eat my salad tonight. I wanna eat my lone star chips tonight

Kate Beere:
because working

Wendy Dodds:
in the fitness space, you know, people always think that you’re on and, you know, you’ve got it all figured out. I don’t have anything figured out. Well, I have some things figured out. But just being really vulnerable and and honest and open with people around that kind of stuff.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Yeah. I think we’re we’re we’re using different language, and we’re saying the same thing around this. And I I would use the language of active listening. Right? So actively listening to yourself and the thoughts that are going through your mind and how are you responding to paying attention. Right? And then active and then just practice that gift. And, you know, I I when I use that exercise with with when I’m speaking at events, I and I’ll say I’ll I’ll I’ll give them homework, and their homework is to take some time each day. Just just 5 minutes where you’re actively listening with something.

Rob Dale:
Mhmm. And how just see how much that starts to impact the relationships around you. Yeah. It’s life changing

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
To be able to do that. No matter what it could be the most superficial conversation you’re happening you’re having, but to just engage with that person and really be present and just listening and hearing that what that person is saying, does transform something

Kate Beere:
with things.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. For me, definitely curiosity, nurturing a curt curiosity, for people, for what’s going on inside my own, under the hood for me. I think the greater the curiosity, the deeper the connection because you remain interested.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
You there’s something else for you to discover, something else for you to learn. And a very practical thing that I do, even just in my work with my clients, COVID fucked us over in so many ways. And 1 of the ways, yes, we all got online, and I think it it, fast forwarded technology by probably 10 or 15 years. But how many conversations are you on a call and the other person doesn’t even have their video on? Right? And if they do and that to me is weird because it’d be like me trying to have a conversation with you, but I’ve gotten it back to you. Like, I Yeah. We’re not looking at each other, can’t see each other. That that’s not fostering deep connection. And I get there’s probably people at work you don’t wanna foster deep connection with, but the more we do that, the more we train ourselves to be out of the moment, disconnected from the moment.

Eric Deschamps:
So even if you see it not about fostering deep connection with that person, but training your brain to be here right now, turn the camera on. The other thing I do is I turn my self view off. Yeah. Because in this conversation right now, I’m seeing you. I’m seeing

Rob Dale:
you.

Eric Deschamps:
I’m seeing you. I’m not seeing my face above yours. Yeah. I’m constantly being distracted by what I look like and Yeah. Is the lighting behind me? And do I have a booger out now out of my nose or right? In normal conversation, we don’t do that. I do have a booger.

Rob Dale:
If you’re you’re if you’re on Spotify, you’re really glad you’re not watching your balance. Apparently, I have a booger up

Eric Deschamps:
my nose. But we we, with with the self view, again, it creates this

Kate Beere:
It’s not healthy.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s not a normal dynamic. We are not present to what’s going on here. Not only are we listening perhaps for the next opportunity to speak, our our our focus is over here. Yeah. It’s fostering anything, but deep connection. Right? Guys, we’re gonna wrap up very shortly here. 1 last question before a short summary, and I’m gonna hand back over to Rob to close-up the show. If you could create a ritual that everyone in the world would follow to enhance connection, what would involve and why?

Kate Beere:
For me oh, do you wanna go? Go ahead.

Eric Deschamps:
You can arm wrestle.

Kate Beere:
We could. I would I would never arm wrestle

Rob Dale:
with Wendy. I’ve always so far. I know, brother. I’ve been Wendy.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. You lost a lot.

Rob Dale:
She can do better arm curls you. Yeah. No. It’s tricep push ups. Tricep push ups. Okay.

Wendy Dodds:
But arm curls as well.

Rob Dale:
Oh. 0, wow. Oh. Gauntlets gauntlet dropped.

Kate Beere:
I think for me, it would be, I would encourage people to say something kind to a stranger. I think there’s something very powerful about what you see in someone else’s eyes when you walk up to them and you just do something nice, say something nice. You know, the whole philosophy, like, when you’re in the Tim Hortons line and someone in front of you has bought your coffee for you. Right? It just that kind, if you if you can just find that and to bring joy to someone else’s life is extremely powerful. And what that brings to you by passing on the kindness Yeah. I would love to see that.

Wendy Dodds:
I think the ritual I would create is to ensure that everyone has at least 1

Rob Dale:
friend. Mhmm.

Wendy Dodds:
There’s a lot of people who are lonely who don’t have friends. Yeah. Especially for kids that go to school and, you know, just making sure that everybody has at least 1 friend in their life that they trust.

Eric Deschamps:
Growing problem with adults too. Yeah. It’s not just a

Rob Dale:
bunch of children. Yeah. Just among kids. Yeah. To see the worth in in every person and and a quick story around this that I’ve never forgotten. It impacted me so greatly. She doesn’t even realize how much it impacted me. But, friends of mine, John and Chantal, and and we were in Montreal 15 years ago.

Rob Dale:
And, going into we’re about to go into a pretty nice restaurant to have a nice meal. And outside the restaurant, there’s this homeless guy sitting there just kind of and I walked by. Didn’t didn’t even exist to me. I didn’t even notice him. John, you know, walked by. Didn’t even notice him. Chantal stops and gets down at his level and just says hi, has a quick little conversation with him. Are you hungry? Do you need anything? You know? And and just that simple and then got up and came into the restaurant medicine.

Rob Dale:
We had already gone in the restaurant. Like, I noticed it and then went in the restaurant. But it impacted me in that sense of recognizing that that was a human being that didn’t exist to me. Right. Right? And just that notion of if if that’s a gift of we can have is that every person has some level of value regardless of their status, regardless of anything else.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Wow. If, if my ritual would be creating a daily device and social media free zone

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
So people could stop this obsessive comparison, comparing themselves with others and feeling shitty as a result, and actually start to connect with themselves, the people around them, and what really, really matters. I think I would I would love that. We just turn it off. The switch every day, we just turn it off globally for the whole world. Yeah. Thank you for, participating in this conversation, guys. Yeah. Again, I just think a huge part of living richly.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. We need to, reset our relationship with our past. We need to get clear on the kind of life we want to live, but none of that is gonna have the kind of traction if we can’t learn to live more, in the now mastering the moment.

Rob Dale:
So good. So good. And we, deeply appreciate each and every 1 of you that tune in each week listening in. We would love for you to take some time just to give us some comments, share your thoughts about what are some of the things you do to make sure that you are deeply connected. Wanna encourage you to like this, share this episode out, with some other people. But definitely go to our website, livingrichly.me. We mentioned the 15 day challenge. It’s there.

Rob Dale:
It’s available for each 1 1 of you. Wanna encourage you to just take some time to listen and to to to do the exercise. It’s free as we’ve already mentioned, and really wanna encourage you to do that. Thank you so much for tuning in and get out there and live your best life.

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