Fuel Your Growth With Our Favourite Sources of Inspiration

Fuel Your Growth With Our Favourite Sources of Inspiration

Eric Deschamps:
Knowledge is no longer power. Knowledge is only power potential. It’s what we do with it. Yeah. It’s in the application of it.

Kate Beere:
Maybe that’s why I struggle so much with connection because it means showing up authentically as I am, which is so tied to my self worth, which is what I’ve always struggled with.

Rob Dale:
The reason why we are so dissatisfied as a society, why we are so frustrated and all of the things that we’re going through is because we no longer live in discomfort.

Wendy Dodds:
How it’s far more important to really focus on being compassionate, true to yourself, true to your values, and to have integrity.

Eric Deschamps:
If you’re consuming junk all the time, if all you’re eating is junk food, you’re gonna end up with a junk mindset. You’re gonna end up with a junk heart set.

Rob Dale:
Right? Hi, and welcome to the Living Richly podcast. So glad that you are here joining us on this episode. I feel like it’s been forever since the 4 of us have done an episode together. It’s, I think, at least a month

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. Probably.

Rob Dale:
The last one, came out. And I’m really excited about today’s topic. We’re gonna talk about some of the sources of information, whether it’s books, podcasts, all of the different stuff that we focus on, that we use to kind of keep ourselves motivated and encouraged and inspired. And these are some of my favorite when I’m listening to other podcasts, probably some of my favorite ones, you and I have listened to a number where we’re diving in and just wanna hear what are other people reading, what are other people listening to. And so we’re gonna try to provide for you, the listener, some of the things that we really lean into, our favorite books, our favorite podcast. But maybe let’s just start with a simple question and Eric, I’m gonna get you to, respond first and then we can just all jump in. But why do why does this even matter? Why is it important for people to be looking and continually looking for new sources of information, finding out about good books, learning from others? Why does that even matter for most people?

Eric Deschamps:
Well, I think regardless of the medium, whether it’s, watching videos online or reading blogs or books or listening to audiobooks or so many different ways now that one can actually consume great information is you really are what you eat. Right?

Kate Beere:
So we

Eric Deschamps:
talk about that in the health. Yeah. If you’re consuming junk all the time, if all you’re eating is junk food.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
You’re gonna end up with a junk mindset. You’re gonna end up with a junk heart set. Right? If you wanna fuel your transformation journey, then we’ve got to be taking in, a a positive sources of information that don’t just and by by positive, I mean, positive in terms of its uplifting, but it’s designed to actually rattle our cage and expand our mindset. I fundamentally believe that people change first at the mindset level. Because if you don’t change there, any change you make in your life is typically temporary behavior modification that you’re not gonna be able to sustain. So how are you gonna change your mindset? You gotta expose yourself to new ways of thinking, new philosophies, new world views, new information that’s different than what you’ve currently you’ve currently lived with.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And I think too it helps well, we know it helps with, like, brain function, memory, fulfillment. Like, there’s all these physical benefits from growth. Right? And whether you know, we’re talking about more personal growth today, but whether you’re learning a new skill, whether you’re learning how to, like, lay tile in the bathroom or whatever that looks like, just that continuous, you know, working of your mind has actual health physical benefits. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. They talked about how even, it used to be thought that for for many decades that the brain stopped, growing after the age of 25. And now with neuroplasticity, we know that that’s not the case. But if the mind is not exercised and you don’t exercise it, there’s nothing wrong, folks, with, like, entertainment and, sitting down watching a good movie or binging a great series, but it’s typically not going to fuel your brain. That type of learning when you’re again, I I loved how you brought in just even a skill. It doesn’t even have to be a a new concept, but learning something new keeps the brain cells sharp and keeps them evolving.

Kate Beere:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
And the studies have shown now that really right into your nineties, you can be continuing to evolve your your your brain synapses.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. And I think, especially in this day and age, there’s so many different types of sources of inspiration. Like, some people like to read. Some people don’t. Some people like to listen. And so it’s a nice way to, really be able to expand what it is that we’re consuming. I’m a huge believer in what you focus on, you find. What you focus on, you become.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
And we get tons of messages, actually, in our Living Rich Lee Facebook group, which if you’re not part of that, make sure that you join because there’s a lot of great stuff in there. But we get questions all the time, and there’s really great dialogue in there around what are the things that we listen to, what fills our cup, because there is so much out there. It can be it’s a very saturated market.

Kate Beere:
So Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Totally. Totally. It really is interesting that, you know, I I’m a big believer that not only do we need to be continually learning, like basically reading and being inspired by stuff, but also challenged. I love reading, material that maybe is a little bit off from what I believe

Kate Beere:
Yep.

Rob Dale:
Because it it it it helps me to expand why and what I believe. I my mom was famous for this. My mom was a big reader and and she would always want us as kids reading. But one of the things she would often her and I would do is engage in is, taking different opinions on let’s say there’s a news story and

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
One of us would say, this is what I think about that. And the other one would take a contrary viewpoint, not because we’re usually aligned with what we believe, but

Kate Beere:
it was an opportunity to say, if I’m gonna really believe something Yeah.

Rob Dale:
I’d better be able

Eric Deschamps:
think your mom

Rob Dale:
just really understand that.

Eric Deschamps:
She sets a bickering of her children and turn it into focus,

Kate Beere:
learn it.

Rob Dale:
It into an art.

Kate Beere:
Girl, I

Wendy Dodds:
love it.

Rob Dale:
And I also love what you said a a few minutes ago about the notion of there’s nothing wrong with, you know, binging a Netflix show or oh, I think the mistake some make and and I’ll be first to say this. Listen. I love reading whether it’s a Stephen King or, you know, whoever it might be. I’m reading a series right now of books that that Wendy got me for my birthday, and I’m absolutely The Hardy Boys. The Hardy

Kate Beere:
Boys series.

Rob Dale:
No. It’s not.

Kate Beere:
It’s, it’s it’s all

Rob Dale:
Nancy Drew. But this series,

Eric Deschamps:
it’s just Nobody knows what that is.

Rob Dale:
It’s just total fiction. And and Yeah. It there’s nothing in it that is inspiring growth or challenging, but it’s okay to take a break from I do we not we don’t need to be doing this 247.

Kate Beere:
Absolutely not. But we need

Rob Dale:
to have some kind of a discipline, a practice of inspiration, and and I think that’s so important. Totally.

Eric Deschamps:
Totally. And I one of the things I really appreciate about you, Kate, is you, we’ve talked about this a number of times, and I think it’s important to mention on the show. I think when this subject matter comes up, like, most of the time, you’ll see it, the best books of this year, the the the must read books of 2024, people on their podcast or on their shows, well, it’s it’s often book related. And Yeah. I get that that’s a very popular it’s been for centuries. It’s a way of consuming information, but that’s really shifted. And and for you, it’s very different.

Kate Beere:
Well, I because I I’m I struggle to read. So I think it’s like that’s why I love her doing this show because I think it’s it’s not about there’s always this association. You’re not growing if you’re not reading. Right.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. And

Kate Beere:
that it’s got nothing to do with reading. It’s just like, are you growing?

Eric Deschamps:
Are you learning?

Kate Beere:
Right? Are you learning? You have a desire to grow? And then find whatever format brings you joy. So I love when you talk, Rob, and you’re like when you talk about reading, it’s joy. And I know, like, you the 3 of you are avid readers. And so but that’s a joyful experience for you. You’re like, this is awesome. I’m gonna get into a good book. I get to a book, and I’m like Yeah. I don’t enjoy it.

Kate Beere:
And so and I struggled in university. Like, it’s just it’s not where I

Wendy Dodds:
just learned. There’s a lot of people like that.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And so find what works for you and what, like, what excites you. So, like, I watch a great TED Talk, or I watch, I can watch a movie, or I do a lot of audio books. I watch

Eric Deschamps:
a shit ton of documents. So many documentaries.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. It just it’s fine what works for you, but I think what it is is it’s the appetite for growth. That’s the key. 100%. It’s not how you consume.

Eric Deschamps:
We have said so many times on the show that there is no easy button. There is no one size fits all, and and, actually, I’m a little allergic to that in the marketplace today where people, they they get on a path. I was talking to one client of mine. I referred to him a couple of shows ago, young young client of mine who came to me a few weeks ago, a few months ago, and he was in a really bad place personally, professionally, and really lost is the way he described it. And so I started walking him through, the model that’s emerged with Living Richly, and he’s been able to identify his values and figure out what works for him. But he it’s not cookie cutter. He’s adapted it. He’s doing different things as well.

Eric Deschamps:
But we talked about how often we get on a path, something that’s really meaningful to us. Let’s use CrossFit as an example because this probably shows up in the world of CrossFit, but weren’t anywhere else, right where you you get into that feel or you get into that. I remember when I started training years ago, well, I wanted to win everybody over. And it got to the point where the people like, if you talk to me about that one more time, like, you know

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
We we get evangelical or dog dogmatic about it because it works for me. We get passionate, and we wanna share the message. But what we fail to understand is what works for 1 may not work for another. So it’s learn, to your point, nurture that appetite and then find what works for you. And that bits and pieces of people’s strategy may work for you, but usually copy and paste as

Rob Dale:
well. And, you know, way back, episode, like, 4 or 5 or 6, something like that. Like, way back way back when we when we did

Kate Beere:
You know what episode we’re at today?

Rob Dale:
Where we had less gray. It’s not episode 4. No. We had less gray in our beards, Eric. He’s Eric, he’s not I’m

Kate Beere:
Episode 68 +1. We’re fine. Children.

Rob Dale:
Exact right. But I I and I remember making and it was kind of a I said it. It was brilliant, and I didn’t realize it was brilliant till I said it. It was on the spot. And that was this notion of your rituals are designed to serve you Yes. Not you serving your rituals.

Kate Beere:
Oh, wow.

Rob Dale:
And so anything, whether it’s all I have to read to grow, no. Now you are serving a ritual Yeah. Rather than the ritual serving you. And so I think it’s so true in this case of inspiration.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. I would I would add the I think another myth, if, you know, debunking that only readers are are are growing No. Another one is that it it I have to keep consuming tons of content. Yeah. Yeah. I think, in the world of self help, personal growth, professional growth, there’s so much available that people can begin to binge this stuff and just go from one book to the next, one podcast to the next, one video to the next. I mean, another way to take in information now is even you can watch short form content online and get, like, one minute bits of information and inspiration that can be quite meaningful. But it’s not about the volume.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? And I think we talked about this on our episode on reflection. It’s not about the volume of information we’re taking in. It’s you sometimes, the best thing you could do is maybe stop whatever source your of intake that that really works through. Stop and go back to the last source, the last couple of sources, and spend some time with it. Sit with it

Rob Dale:
for a while. I mean and maybe you can talk about this. We we did this. We have a number of things that we kind of commit to doing every day, some tasks, and we we work well in that environment. But we shifted one of them and that was around the the reading and maybe talk a bit about that because I think it fits right in.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Yeah. We used to embody the practice of reading 10 pages

Kate Beere:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
Every day

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Of a personal development or a, you know, a book that was gonna help grow us.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
And both of us found and we did that for quite a while. Both of us found it became more of a box to check Yeah. Saying, yep. Okay. It’s done, versus what did we actually absorb from it? What are we taking from it? Yeah. And I know for myself, sometimes I’d be thinking like, okay. You know, I’ve gotta get the the clothes out of the washing machine before the mildew sits in.

Eric Deschamps:
I just read the same paragraph 13 times at

Wendy Dodds:
number 10.

Rob Dale:
Which sucks because I have to get 10 pages in.

Wendy Dodds:
I have to get 10 pages?

Eric Deschamps:
This is gonna take me forever. Right?

Wendy Dodds:
Right. And so it became more of a chore versus something that we were, enjoying. And so we shifted it from, instead of 10 pages, 20 minutes.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
So and the book I’m reading right now, I love to just linger and just go over the same paragraph and the same page No.

Kate Beere:
No pressure. Pressure.

Rob Dale:
It might be 2 pages in 20 minutes, right, depending on what it is because you might just sit and go, I really just need to sit and contemplate what that paragraph I just read.

Kate Beere:
I’m not.

Rob Dale:
And it’s so much more freeing to be able to do that. Well, it’s also worth it.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s more impactful because reflection is the glue that makes that new information stick. When you when you’re just you just keep consuming, well, it’s like overeating. It’s unhealthy.

Kate Beere:
Well, it’s the the the our culture of quick fixes. Exactly. Like, it’s all I’m gonna read this, and I’m gonna I’m gonna master this, and I’m gonna go right over here. Oh, no. Oh, I can do it that way. Okay. And then you’re just, like, you’re constantly looking for, like, how do I fix it? Right? Right. And so you’re trying one thing after the other without actually, to your point, taking time to, like, digest or re That’s and 50 in, you know, in, a book a week or reading

Rob Dale:
or whatever it is. 52 books and 50 in, you know, in, a book a week or whatever it is. 52 books a year. And it’s like, yeah. But how much of that have you actually taken it?

Kate Beere:
Like, we

Eric Deschamps:
we are we’re familiar with the, the the phrase knowledge is power. It’s it’s often been thrown around. And, a lot of folks don’t know this, but it was actually coined by sir Francis Bacon in the 18th century. He coined it

Rob Dale:
Bacon. Bacon.

Wendy Dodds:
I love bacon. Wait.

Kate Beere:
What are we talking about? Bacon. We’re talking about bacon.

Rob Dale:
Nothing else matters now. No. Only if it’s

Kate Beere:
a bacon. It’s bacon. Bacon. I can taste bacon right now. I think bacon. We can all do it.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Wait. Episode episode 68.1. Okay. So, sir Francis Bacon coined it in Latin and which, when they translate in English, we get the phrase knowledge is power. Well, back in his day, late, only the wealthy had access to, education, knowledge, books, reading. So that that phrase was accurate. Knowledge was power.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Because the average person

Kate Beere:
For sure.

Eric Deschamps:
Didn’t have access to it.

Rob Dale:
No printing press.

Eric Deschamps:
No printing press. No Internet. None of it. Right? Today, we have knowledge all around us. I mean, it’s a it’s actually a knowledge overload. So knowledge is no longer power. Knowledge is only power potential. It’s what we do with it.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. It’s in the application of it. And that’s why I’m a big fan of sometimes slow down the pace, and and focus on what you’re doing. I was notorious for years, and I still find myself doing this sometimes that I wanna conquer the book. I wanna finish the book. And so I get to the end of the chapter, and maybe there’s some reflection questions. And I’m like, yeah. I’ll come back to those.

Eric Deschamps:
Skip on to the next chapter. And I’m like, yet, that’s probably the most important part.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Exactly.

Rob Dale:
Of the book.

Eric Deschamps:
So slowing down can whatever source of information, whether it’s books, videos, slow it down. Consider slowing it down. It’s not the volume. It’s the amount of reflection and how it actually sticks to you. Right?

Rob Dale:
Alright. So here’s what I’d like us to do, as we go through this.

Wendy Dodds:
Taking over.

Kate Beere:
Really? Right?

Wendy Dodds:
Cow. That’ll come.

Rob Dale:
That easy. Steve, are

Kate Beere:
you there? Alright. I need some help.

Wendy Dodds:
He’s eating bacon.

Eric Deschamps:
There’s gonna be

Rob Dale:
some serious editing in this episode. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
We’re editing you out.

Rob Dale:
What what I’d like us to do is we’ll we’ll kinda go around and, Kate, maybe I’ll start with you on this, but let’s share, one piece of inspiration, source of inspiration, might be a book, podcast, whatever.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And let’s just take some time. We’ll take 2 or 3 minutes, share some of your concepts from it. Let’s the the rest of us can jump in and add our thoughts to what we’re hearing from each or maybe ask some follow-up questions. But let’s just kind of unpack and take our time rather than try to give 30 things. Maybe we only get, you know, 1 or 2 each. But let’s take some time with that. So maybe why don’t we start with you? What’s one of the sources of inspiration?

Kate Beere:
You’re all staring at me. Fuck. You’re like, oh, a soup. Turned around. Bring it. This was hard for me because there’s lots. Right. So, but I went with Brene Brown’s TED Talk, the power of vulnerability.

Kate Beere:
Oh my god. So it’s one of the first TED Talks that really impacted me. And I was so curious. So I’m preparing, like, preparing for the show. I’m like, oh, I’m gonna go back and just find out, like, I wonder when that came out because I had no idea. It’s been a

Rob Dale:
while now.

Kate Beere:
14 years ago.

Rob Dale:
Wow. Which

Kate Beere:
yeah. Right? So I was like, okay. I’m like, okay. So now I’m I rewatched it because I’m I’m like, I wanna watch it with my lens today and the growth that I’ve done, so it was interesting watching it back. But Brene Brown at that time was a researcher. She was not a speaker. She was not a public figure. Was that

Rob Dale:
what was that

Kate Beere:
That’s what catapulted her. And so that TED Talk has over 60,000,000 views. It’s one of the most viewed of all time. And I what I found so interesting is I related to Brene Brown instantly. I think so many people did. So she’s a researcher, like, really hardcore researcher at this point. And what was so great about it is she came off so, like, smart, funny, giving you really cool information in a way that didn’t feel like data and research. Right? So for me, I remember just being like, oh, she’s disarming with her humor.

Kate Beere:
She’s brilliant with her research. She’s interviewed over 12,000 people, and she’s a qualitative researcher. So it’s hearing people’s stories. Wow. And she’s a natural storyteller. So the way she presented the data out in that was really interesting. But the whole premise is around, obviously, vulnerability because it’s called the power of vulnerability. But it’s all really around connection.

Kate Beere:
And what I loved about it is she talks about what her research showed, right, is that you can’t have true connection with true human connection without vulnerability. And so we’re all hardwired for connection unless you’re, like you you don’t have an ability to empathy, and that’s a very small portion of the population. But we’re all

Eric Deschamps:
hardwired for it.

Kate Beere:
Right? We’re all hardwired for it. But you can’t have true connection unless you’re vulnerable. So what she studied was, okay, vulnerability, really, what what does that look like at its core? And what she found is that people who were able to be vulnerable had a strong sense of self worth. So then she got really interested, and her research dove more into, I wanna learn from those people who have a strong sense of self worth, and where does that come from? Meanwhile, she’s very uncomfortable with vulnerability herself. So it’s

Eric Deschamps:
it’s It even comes through

Kate Beere:
Oh my god. There’s so much humor.

Eric Deschamps:
Such a great talk. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
So well done. But what she found is that people had 3, and I I wanna make sure I get them. So 3 they have 3 things in common. So someone who identifies as having strong self worth, they have courage. So courage to be not perfect, courage to show up exactly how they are, and she calls these people wholehearted.

Eric Deschamps:
So Love that.

Kate Beere:
Living a wholehearted life. So showing up in a courageous way as they are. Compassion. So they start with compassion for self, then they can have compassion for others. So that whole, you know, you put your oxygen max on first and give it so that’s how they flow. Yeah. Connection. Right? So true connection for them is not is not hard.

Kate Beere:
They crave true connection, and that’s because they can show up authentically exactly how they are. So those 3. And then when they’re vulnerable, they don’t feel either way about it. It’s not like something like, it’s not like this, like, I feel icky about it or I feel good about it. They just feel like it’s something they need to do. It’s natural. It’s a natural flow to have that true

Rob Dale:
connection. I love that. I, you know, it’s interesting. I’ve watched the I have seen the TED Talk. Yeah. It’s been years, and I’ve been like, oh, I need to go back and watch it again. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen it, but certainly

Wendy Dodds:
I have not seen it.

Kate Beere:
Oh. Oh,

Rob Dale:
at least 5 years. But it’s I but what really resonated there was that notion of you can’t truly have connection without the vulnerability. And right away I thought about, you know, just this morning, Wendy and I were having our coffee and tea, in bed. We’re just kinda yeah. As we were getting up, we’re having our coffee and tea and having a conversation and we’re talking about, some of the episodes we’re gonna be recording today. One of the episodes we’re recording is one on masculinity and, you know, doing a series and that came out just a few weeks ago, but we were, as we were preparing for for the as she left for work and as she’s probably gone from the house 10 minutes and I’m texting her saying, Hey, I already miss you. And then I said, I love that you are my safe space.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And and and I and I see that because I I’ve never felt like I’ve had a connection like the one I have with Wendy. Right. And it’s because of Of that. That vulnerability. It wasn’t like, do I share this? Do I don’t share this? Yeah. It was just it was natural.

Kate Beere:
It was

Rob Dale:
just such an easy conversation to talk about some of my experiences with masculinity as a teen and as a young person Yeah. Because of the nature of that. So I love that about that.

Kate Beere:
I love that. Yeah. We we always talk about as our foundation. It’s like the foundation is solid no matter what happens. So it’s but that connection for me, when I watched it 14 years ago, I remember because Brene Brown, like, as she goes through it, she starts talking about her own experience. So as the research evolves, she’s like, I am not comfortable. I don’t like

Eric Deschamps:
where this is going.

Kate Beere:
And she talks about how she seeks out a therapist, and so she seeks out a therapist for a therapist. Right? Because that’s a thing.

Rob Dale:
Right. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
And so she goes into her therapist to say, listen, I like, I need to unpack this thing about vulnerability. She goes in, and she’s like, but I don’t wanna talk about my childhood. I don’t wanna talk about my parents. I don’t wanna talk about any. Can we

Rob Dale:
do this without being vulnerable?

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah. I want I want help, but

Eric Deschamps:
I don’t wanna talk about anything.

Kate Beere:
So why I love it so much is she she made it like, almost gave me permission to be like, oh, maybe that’s why I struggle so much with connection because it means showing up authentically as I am, which is so tied to my self worth, which is what I’ve always struggled with. And all of a sudden, I was like, and she struggles with it. And so it gave me permission to be like, fuck. Right? And so I it was one of those, and it was just presented in such a way that was so easy. Like, I encourage everyone to go watch it if you haven’t seen it or rewatch it if you’ve seen it because I watched it with a different lens this time. It was absolutely fascinating. One of my top picks.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s truly a superpower. I’m convinced. Vulnerability

Kate Beere:
Oh, it’s

Eric Deschamps:
yeah. And I remember watching the TED Talk and being deeply impacted by it. Vulnerability is kinda inauthenticity has been value of mine for a very long time even when I was much younger. And my experience has been that when we’ve talked this on the show, when you go first, when you’re willing to just show up authentically, you give people permission to do the same, and you create that safe space for other people. Right? For me, it’s just fascinating to hear you, kinda draw it out again because I keep forgetting. I’ve been, reminded this a few times over the years. But, courage, connection, compassion are 3 of my 4 core values. Curiosity and that can round out

Kate Beere:
in a sec,

Eric Deschamps:
but that those are so it’s it’s like I forget because that’s I didn’t get them from her. I didn’t get them from reading her book.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
But it just is very affirming to hear to to hear that articulated.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. So we’re gonna put the well, we’ll

Kate Beere:
Go on. Go on.

Rob Dale:
Certainly put the link to the TED talk in the show notes.

Kate Beere:
That’d be great.

Rob Dale:
But, of course, you can just go to TED dotcom and get to this and

Kate Beere:
just Google her name. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Just Google her name. Yeah. You’re right. Yeah. It’s so awesome. It’ll it’ll come up.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
I for me, I I think I think we all probably will say this is that it was really how do you pick 1, right? I mean, it’s like, what’s my top 50?

Kate Beere:
And Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
I tried to come to that. And I narrowed it down. I don’t know if it’s necessarily it’s it’s the one that was resonating the most to bring up for today. Yeah. Whether it’s my number one or it was certainly I used I was saying a couple years ago, it was the number one book, of of inspiration for me a couple of years ago when it when I first read it. And it’s actually Good, but nowhere near it was still some good stuff. But but Comfort Crisis, for me, maybe it just hit at the right time.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
But the whole premise of the book is the reason why we are so dissatisfied as a society, why we are so frustrated in all of the things that we’re going through is because we no longer live in discomfort. That we are such a comfort society that everything around us. Right? So in our in our, our genetic in our DNA is this, you know, our ancestors, they didn’t know if they’re gonna eat that night. They had to go hunt to to feed. They didn’t know if they’re gonna where they’re gonna sleep. They didn’t know what their, trials were gonna be. They didn’t

Eric Deschamps:
know what they were gonna eat or what was gonna eat them.

Rob Dale:
Or what was gonna eat them. Right? Like, there was and and so there was this constant struggle, this constant battle just to find comfort. And so you spent your day seeking out comfort. Today, we don’t need to do that. Right. It’s hot, we turn on the air conditioning. It’s cold, we turn on the heat. Right?

Eric Deschamps:
You’re tired,

Rob Dale:
you need to get into your comfy bed, whatever it is. And his the premise of the book is, if you are truly going to live full lives, you need to now seek out ways to put yourself in discomfort Yeah. So that you can come back to appreciating comfort.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Rob Dale:
And and and and I’ve implemented it in some really simple funny ways. Well, I don’t know if it’s funny, but just silly ways, I guess. You know, for example, one of the things that when we work out at the gym, on the treadmills, one of the things I purposely do, and it was from reading the book, I make sure the fan’s turned off on the treadmill. I don’t want that extra comfort. I want to be in discomfort when it comes to what you doing? Try to

Eric Deschamps:
turn off your screen.

Kate Beere:
I’m trying to make you uncomfortable. Always always. When I turn off my this camera. Eric’s trial. We record, as you know, a lots of episodes in the day,

Rob Dale:
and it’s near the end of the

Kate Beere:
day, and you can tell.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. But but, it’s putting yourself in those places of discomfort. And and 2 of the things that really that he, were challenges in the book for me, the first one, I brought it up on other episodes before and that was he has a chapter on, it’s called think about your death three times a day.

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And that the challenge and when I share that with people I remember the first time I shared it with you, you’re like Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Just just thinking of

Rob Dale:
Nope. No. Thanks. Don’t wanna think about that. And his whole premise and he does he’s a researcher is what he is. He’s an he’s a journalist, is is his background, and he travels to the the count the country of Bhutan

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Where this considered the happiest people, the least stressed people in the world. And they have monuments to death all over their town when you’re driving there’s the scribes driving through this town and all of these monuments. But this notion of you can’t truly appreciate living in the moment until you really come to terms with the fact that it could be your last moment. That we don’t know.

Kate Beere:
Fully agree. I Right?

Rob Dale:
Yeah. One of us could just not wake up tomorrow.

Kate Beere:
Totally. Yep.

Rob Dale:
And we go, oh, I don’t talk. Don’t think like that. That’s what keeps you sane, but that means I’m gonna really fucking appreciate and experience the fullness of today Yeah. Because I don’t know. I just don’t.

Kate Beere:
So, you know, it’s so interesting is one of Brene Brown’s takeaway from vulnerability is practice gratitude and joy in in a way where you don’t catastrophize it. Meaning that love hard because you won’t have tomorrow. Like but but not going into, like, don’t be scared to love because someone’s gonna you’re worried your kid’s gonna die

Rob Dale:
and that’s hard.

Eric Deschamps:
Fear based. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
No. But it’s the same premise of, like, when you can truly get present to that, like, there might not be tomorrow, so what have you got to why aren’t you loving her? Why can’t you just be all in? What is what holds us back from really getting to that?

Rob Dale:
It it it for me, it’s a

Kate Beere:
So interesting.

Rob Dale:
It’s such it was a life to now what was interesting was I first got, interested in thinking about death, through another book, that was kinda one of my honorable mentions today, and that was a book called Chasing Daylight. Mhmm. And that was a CEO and it was the very I remember we were still just kinda chatting. Yeah. Hadn’t even gone on our first date yet.

Eric Deschamps:
I like how you why do we all do that?

Rob Dale:
We we were we

Kate Beere:
were just chatting. Hi. Oh, hi.

Rob Dale:
One

Kate Beere:
of the things we talked about was

Rob Dale:
the things we read in the things that we really and I that was the first book, that I shared with her was this book, Chasin, Daylight. This guy who he knows he is going to die and he knows the ballpark of when he is going to die and so how he lives out those final couple of months of his life. And spoiler alert, he dies while writing the book. Wow. And his wife finishes the book. I remember when you

Kate Beere:
gave that to

Rob Dale:
me. Yeah. Absolutely. And it was just because it was such a profound thought to me. I don’t fear death. I don’t wanna die. I hope to I think I do everything. We we’re big fans of longevity and

Kate Beere:
Strong.

Rob Dale:
Exactly. So I do all the stuff to make sure that I live a long life, but but the notion of I still can’t control it. No. So live in the moment. That was probably the most powerful takeaway from

Eric Deschamps:
that one. I love that. I, I remember if I go back to comfort crisis for a moment or this whole comfort thing, I remember back in 2013 when I started getting serious about my health, and I’ll be forever grateful to, honorable mention to Kurt Haas, who, he was a client of mine, and I trained at his gym. And, All

Rob Dale:
3 of us.

Eric Deschamps:
That’s right. At one point. And, I approached him to get some personal training. And I remember the first session on the floor with him, and it was more like assessing sort of my current health level. And I I remember, I don’t even know if I’m gonna survive this assessment because I just hadn’t been training much and a bit of running and whatever else. And he looked at me straight in the eye, and he said, Eric, if you’re gonna make progress, and I know you will, but in order to make progress, you better get comfortable being uncomfortable. Mhmm. And I think, recently, we had, Scott Aaron on the show, and he had a a comment very similar.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Saying until, when when you do uncomfortable consistently, then that becomes your new comfort level. Right? Yeah. But I think we try to avoid pain. We try to avoid uncertainty. We that’s why we shy away from grief, and we had some powerful conversations with Don Lachance recently. We call him grandpa grief. Yeah. Right? You don’t wanna miss those episodes, but he, talked about how so many of us are trying to numb ourselves and avoid anything uncomfortable.

Eric Deschamps:
And yet it’s in the discomfort, that the transformation, the joy, the purpose, the meaning is to be found. Right?

Rob Dale:
That, that Scott Aaron quote is is great, and and you’re gonna love that episode when it comes out next week. Oh, is that next week?

Kate Beere:
Well, it makes sense. It’s okay. It it’ll all make sense to you.

Rob Dale:
Just go to the

Eric Deschamps:
YouTube channel. They’re listed in order.

Kate Beere:
I’m gonna get it all wrong here today.

Eric Deschamps:
What? I’m being prophetic. Next week on the show,

Rob Dale:
Scott is gonna say something like that. When when we record

Kate Beere:
it, hi. That’s good news.

Eric Deschamps:
Spoiler alert.

Rob Dale:
No. That’s absolutely good. Lots of else other things to talk about from that book. I I’m gonna we were gonna move on. I wanna hear from you, Wendy, as to, kinda booker source of inspiration. But, certainly, again, we’ll keep the links to comfort crisis with as with all of these in the in the, solo notes.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. So, again, like all of us, what book do Yeah. You know, just because there’s so many. I kinda went more I don’t wanna say the lighter route, but this one comes up time and time again for me. This was introduced to me by a friend, and it’s called 52 ways to live a kick ass life, by Andrea Owen. She has a wonderful Instagram page as well. And I read it, and I just loved the style of how she wrote it. It’s not your traditional book where you’re you’ve got, it’s literally, like, 52 different ways on how to live an amazing life.

Wendy Dodds:
But her authenticity, and just her real life journey, with a female lens on different things around divorce, struggles, with motherhood, struggles with career, all of that kind of stuff. But it really the foundation of it is really about real life strategies, that so let me kinda backtrack. I think the one myth that or or not myth, but the one thing that people sometimes gravitate towards when they think about personal development books is that, oh, like, they’re so

Kate Beere:
Hey. How did how does that go?

Wendy Dodds:
Wait. Let me redo it.

Kate Beere:
Wait. Wait. Wait. I wanna make sure we zoom in on the this is gonna get zoomed in and final edits.

Wendy Dodds:
Wait. Let me do it again. Oh. But it’s true

Kate Beere:
because a lot of

Wendy Dodds:
people think on

Eric Deschamps:
the Living Rich Lee podcast.

Wendy Dodds:
But they don’t wanna be too, like because sometimes it’s overwhelming. It’s overwhelming, and it can be so it’s funny. I have a I have a friend, and she always she always says, Wendy, I read books, but I like reading books about people getting chopped up and stuffed in freezers. And not and I won’t say her name, but I love you, you know

Kate Beere:
who you are.

Eric Deschamps:
Well, put that in the

Wendy Dodds:
phone numbers. And not your make yourself a better person type reading.

Kate Beere:
I love that.

Wendy Dodds:
But, and she’s one of my best friends, and and because when you think about You’re talking

Rob Dale:
about your friend?

Wendy Dodds:
When you think about personal development

Kate Beere:
and you

Wendy Dodds:
think about self development, like, a lot of it can be overwhelming and just exhausting, and a lot of them can be very deep, which doesn’t necessarily resonate with a lot of people.

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
I really like how Andrea did her style of this book, because she really talks about real life strategies without all of the fluff and the bullshit and 16 pages on one specific strategy. It was very to the point, and it’s really about design it it helps it’s designed to help you get off the sidelines and actually live your true authentic life.

Rob Dale:
So I I’m gonna put I’m gonna put you on the spot and ask you if you can highlight maybe I’m doing

Kate Beere:
this because I

Wendy Dodds:
was gonna put you on the spot earlier, but I will after.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Yay.

Kate Beere:
Yay. We’re just we’re Eric and I are just gonna walk. We’re gonna walk. We’re gonna walk. We’ll see if

Rob Dale:
we can get some popcorn. If if, if one of if what one of the 52 ways, that has stood out to you that you kinda think about, is is there a is there one I know it’s again, I got you picked from 52, but is there one that stands out for you, that comes out of the book?

Wendy Dodds:
I think the biggest one, and, of course, there’s so many, and I have read it several times, would probably be around being okay with letting go of friendships that no longer serve you. Oh, that’s okay. Yeah. And she’s she’s every so I can’t remember exactly how she titled and what number it was.

Eric Deschamps:
Sorry. Rob, it’s been nice knowing you.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Steve, you

Kate Beere:
get to stay. Wow.

Wendy Dodds:
But it really talks about people pleasing, which I know we’ve talked about on the show. And There you go. The the and maybe men struggle with this as well, but the, female tendency to want to hold on to things that don’t necessarily serve us anymore

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
And feeling like we need to have an official breakup party with whatever so I’ll say friendship, not relationship, but whatever friendship is no longer serving us because we’re too uncomfortable to, you know, deal with the issue. We are too uncomfortable with, knowing that the we’ve outgrown the friendship maybe from 20 years ago, and maybe we’re on different paths. And so the way she described it and, again, it was like a page and a half, but it was just very simple strategic strategies on how to deal with ending a friendship. And I remember she specifically talked about I think there was 3 different ways. Right? It was, you know, you sit down and have the conversation, and, yep, we’re going 2 different ways. The other one is, you know, you gradually slowly start to maybe not go out for dinner as much anymore. You know, your paths just kinda drift away, but so that would probably be the most helpful. A lot with that, especially as I went through my own transformation, then my divorce, around, my accident, people that were in my life, people that were there to support me, people that maybe weren’t, and just friendships change and evolve, especially with the journey that I’m on right now.

Kate Beere:
So I’m I’m glad

Wendy Dodds:
that you caught

Rob Dale:
the spot. Spot, and Thank you

Wendy Dodds:
for putting me on

Kate Beere:
the spot. Next time

Rob Dale:
you host, you could put me on the spot. Oh,

Eric Deschamps:
I’ve been working with, and he’s really finding his way, just a few months ago. He’s really lost. But one of the questions he asked me yesterday as we were talking, and he came on the call, and you could just say beaming. Like, he’s just found he’s really finding his way finding his guidance. It’s it’s quite fulfilling and satisfying to to know that it play a small role in that process. But he talked about, the very same thing. He’s got this friend. They’ve been friend for years.

Eric Deschamps:
The the families hang out together, whatever. But because he’s growing, he’s beginning to see, like, it’s uncomfortable. Right? There’s discomfort there. And and so we had a big long talk about what that looks like. I said, well, it’s too soon to tell. I said, but, we had we we had the very real conversation that as you make the commitment to grow and we’re gonna grow in at different paces than other people. That doesn’t mean that we have to part ways or anything. But ultimately, there are gonna be times where your journey of transformation will lead you out of certain friendships and into potentially some new ones.

Eric Deschamps:
And sometimes even for a season, you may be in the desert alone for a little while, right, which is not a comfortable place to be go back to discomfort. Yeah. But I think a lot of people struggle with that.

Kate Beere:
A lot

Wendy Dodds:
of people do struggle.

Kate Beere:
I think women struggle a lot. I think I think and I’m not saying men don’t, but I know but for women, it’s it’s that people pleasing lens to constantly make everyone else feel okay at our own expense is is common.

Wendy Dodds:
I will say she does write this from a female lens for the most part, although there are several transferable skills that kinda cross pollinate into into men as well. But I I really liked it because it was easy to read. It had great strategies from deep ones around any relationship, all the way to your relationship with your bathroom scale, things like that. And it’s a book that I’ve referred numerous times to my clients, and I love it.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Amazing. I

Kate Beere:
love it.

Eric Deschamps:
Fair? Yep. For me, it has to like, again, I I had the same struggle I think you all did because, there are a number of books that I read last year, that were really, really beautiful. Yeah. And, yet I think the one that I wanna highlight today is by Rainn Wilson, Soulboom, Why We Need A Spiritual Revolution. And this book, interesting how it came about. And if you don’t know who Rainn Wilson is, it’s Dwight from The Office. Okay? It’s the actor who played Dwight. And, one of the things I like to do is, I have a home gym, a quite quite an elaborate home gym that I built out, during COVID.

Eric Deschamps:
So I don’t that’s mostly where I train. And, when I’m by myself, I, sometimes I like to put music on. Other times, more often than not, I’ll put on a good podcast. And I know that I’m not sitting there actually watching. It’s playing in the background, but I’m still listening and there’s a bunch of stuff that sinks in. And I often have an, I find myself in those 2 minutes of rest between a couple of sets, right, that I’m, like, zoning in because they’ve said something really powerful. And a couple of shows I really like, by the way, is the Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson. We’ll put that in the show notes.

Eric Deschamps:
Another great one is Lewis Howes, The School of Greatness. Really love that one. He’s done an amazing job. I think he, I forget what his English YouTube channel is up to, but just yesterday, they crossed over a a a 1000000 subscribers on their Spanish channel. So, he’s really making a difference in the world, running a couple of great books. But it was while I was working out one day, and I had this playing in the background. And all of a sudden, I look up and I go, is that Dwight? There’s Dwight sitting across Rainn Wilson sitting across from Lewis Howden. Go, what’s he doing on a show like this? Like, it just I just never I didn’t know his personal story.

Eric Deschamps:
He’s been a a a spiritual guy for a really long time. Really was the most unlikely philosopher to deeply influence, not just, refresh my view of spirituality, but also help me even expand my understanding of the the the living richly sort of model. And, it’s a fascinating book because, of course, it’s written in classic, Rainn Wilson style. He is funny. You will find yourself laughing out loud several times as you read the book. He’s sarcastic. He’s funny. He’s smart.

Eric Deschamps:
He’s witty. He even talks about spends the opening chapters talking about how in the 19 seventies, the 2 shows that shaped, sort of philosophy with Keith Carradine, kung fu.

Rob Dale:
Yes.

Eric Deschamps:
And which is another show that I used to love.

Kate Beere:
So I

Eric Deschamps:
remember he hooked me right away, because it brought me back to my childhood. But and there’s just a great for people that struggle with the concept of spirituality, he does practice the faith. That’s, the faith of his upbringing, and he has returned to that now in his later years. But it’s not preaching Baha’i. It’s not about trying to promote a specific mindset. It’s more about understanding that the world needs Yeah. More than what we have at our disposal. And for him, spirituality is tapping into something greater than ourselves and does a really great job of unpacking it, making it safe for people to kind of explore what it looks like.

Eric Deschamps:
But what the the central thought that really, grabbed me is after years of spending I mean, we talked on the show. I mean, grew up in church and, you and I were ministers for years. And and I remember after leaving that world, I was like, I’m done giving. And by that, I didn’t mean I’d be selfish and self centered. But forget about giving to causes or you come to my door knocking looking for money. I’m like, I’m done. I’ve given I’ve given more than the average person will ever give in their whole lifetime. Stop bothering me.

Eric Deschamps:
I’m just trying to build my life and be happy. Okay? And that’s kinda where I was on the spirituality front that I’m done giving. I I serve every day. I feel like I serve my clients. I feel like I give back, in my relationships and all of that. But beyond that, kinda thought that was it. And he makes a really solid point. He talks about how the world of self help and personal development has grown tremendously around the world.

Eric Deschamps:
He says, but there’s something fundamentally wrong if all of that growth is only self serving. If it’s only just about me being happier, if it’s only just about me being more centered, about me having more zen, that’s wonderful. And he’s certainly not against that. He says, but surely, there’s a bigger calling for all of us to leave the world a better place than we find it in whatever capacity That might be smiling at the teller and the checkout line, which I do. I always try to leave people better than I found. Right? But it’s making a difference. It’s about giving back.

Kate Beere:
Well, and I’ve I’ve watched it shift you.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Like, I’ve watched your that sort of it’s it’s like your relationship with giving. Like, you’re always a very giving person, but that sort of that weird dichotomy that you left church world and now you’re like done giving. I’ve I’ve seen that shift in you. And I don’t even know if you remember this, but I remember you there was a homeless you’re picking Sam up and there was a homeless person. And you walked by and you were like like, not in your, like, I’m done giving, but you just you walked by and you’re kinda like, okay. You know, it’s I’ve seen this before. And something shifted in you. And you went and bought a sandwich and gave it to that homeless person, and you didn’t it was in a that was the first time for you that you had given back since the I’m not saying it’s the first time you’ve been back, but you didn’t feel some kind of way about it.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. It was just it was just a human to human experience.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. I I do remember that day. I remember walking back into the mall You did. You went back there. Making a beeline for Tim Hortons and buying a coffee. And I actually asked him first if he was hungry and he said yes. And, and I remember sitting back in my Jeep. I actually tell this story in, I think it’s episode 3, way back when the podcast started, because that was right during that season.

Eric Deschamps:
All this stuff was happening. Yep. And that’s actually before I I read Rain’s book.

Kate Beere:
Was it before?

Eric Deschamps:
It was before. But so that started something. But when Rain’s book came along Yeah. I think it watered those seeds. And and now I firmly believe that, when we we talk about living richly, it’s about, in many ways, one, redeeming your past, not just getting over your past, but redeeming it. Yeah. It’s about, living fully in the present. Yep.

Eric Deschamps:
And and deeply engaging with it. And then also, building your future. But all of that is designed so that I can now Yeah. Give back and make a difference

Kate Beere:
in the

Rob Dale:
world around. It’s so good. And and I know when you recommended you, you sent me the note about the book and I ordered it, I think, within 30 seconds of you suggesting Well, usually when you were a little girl, I got As I do when I read Gallium and, and it really did. It gave me permission to

Kate Beere:
explore

Rob Dale:
spirituality again. And and, Rain, if you are listening Please come on the show. Please. We want you on the show. Please, please, please.

Kate Beere:
Please. We love you, man.

Rob Dale:
Everybody listening send ring. No. Tell them that the hell

Eric Deschamps:
of living richly podcast

Rob Dale:
wants the perfect exact guest appearance

Kate Beere:
for you.

Rob Dale:
It would be awesome. Okay. We we’re we’ve got just a few minutes left, but I’d like to kinda do almost a rapid fire round 2. Okay? Okay? So, then give it we’re gonna go in the same order. Let’s do the same order. Something?

Eric Deschamps:
Like

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Like, a minute each. Just what is it and why is it important to you? And, Kate, you’re up.

Kate Beere:
I’m just I’m gonna read a few out that I put down instead of putting that. So I heal, the movie. It was on Netflix. It’s all just around the power of thought to heal the body. Stress can harm the body. This is all about using your brain to physically heal your body. It’s absolutely fascinating. I know we’ve talked about it before on the show.

Eric Deschamps:
So good.

Kate Beere:
Untethered Soul by Michael Singer. We talked about that one, you know, putting an end to kinda those negative thoughts. Right? How can you reposition? Great one of oh, it’s such a great book. It’s actually the last book my stepfather gave to me before he passed, so it even has huge meaning for me. And the first one of the first books she gave me is on here too, Joy of Living. It’s by a a Buddhist priest, and I’m not I’m not I

Eric Deschamps:
won’t even try to pronounce it.

Kate Beere:
I’m not gonna I won’t put you in. We’ll put it in the in the show notes. And that’s, the first book I ever read on, like, the joy true finding joy and happiness through, meditation. A bit of a harder read, but a good and I do read, by the way. I just don’t read as often. I just wanted to state that. And then Celestine Prophecies, the very first book I ever read when I was 16. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
A really easy, simple read on sort of, what I would talk about, like, living richly, what it looks like now, but it’s around 9 insights and told in a storytelling way. And it’s the first time I ever experienced, someone talking about energy field between 2 people. So at 16, that’s the first time I was like, oh, that’s Oh. Oh,

Eric Deschamps:
he is a rule.

Rob Dale:
You’re you

Eric Deschamps:
don’t like breaking rules.

Rob Dale:
No. That’s me.

Kate Beere:
I love it. Yeah. That’s right. It’s not your own. Yeah. I’m very comfortable being uncomfortable.

Rob Dale:
Nice. The the, The Art of Everyday Assertiveness Great book. It’s such a great book.

Eric Deschamps:
Find your voice now.

Rob Dale:
I’ve probably recommended that book to more people. Most of my clients know that I’ve at some point brought up that book to them. My kids have brought up the book, you and I have talked about it and just the notion of and there’s a bunch of things that come out of that but certainly that’s where the notion of fog, fear, obligation, guilt, are you doing things for that? The bill of rights is another powerful thing. I have the right to be wrong. I have the right to change my mind.

Kate Beere:
You know,

Rob Dale:
there’s a whole bunch of them in there.

Eric Deschamps:
You have the right to be my friend.

Rob Dale:
I I have the right not to be your friend. Oh. I I I’m fired.

Kate Beere:
So I walked away.

Rob Dale:
Right? Yeah. So, but just such a, a reminder of, having your own voice, owning your voice, and showing up. It it really is a book about showing up authentic with authenticity.

Kate Beere:
Authenticity. There you go.

Eric Deschamps:
Great book.

Rob Dale:
Alright. Wendy.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Great book.

Wendy Dodds:
I’m going to not follow the rules of Kate. I’ve got one movie and two books. So the movie,

Kate Beere:
you’re

Wendy Dodds:
kind of an old school movie. 13 going on 30. So a bit of a fun movie, a great movie. And that came out. Actually, I remember watching it in the theaters 2 days before my oldest daughter was born. She’s gonna be 20 in May. So Jennifer Garner Holy cow. Crazy.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. This is just really quickly it’s just all about a girl who’s 13, and she wishes that she was 30, and she wishes she was, like, the pretty, popular, had the perfect career, all perfect friends, all that kind of stuff. And the movie just really ties around to how it’s far more important to really focus on being compassionate, true to yourself, true to your values, and to have integrity. So just a wonderful, wonderful feel good movie. Lovely. And then my books, 2 really quick books, Untamed by Glennon Doyle. Yeah. Phenomenal book.

Wendy Dodds:
I remember when that book came out a couple years ago, and I think there is something like I don’t know how many thousands and thousands of reviews on Amazon for her book. But just a really great book around, again, authenticity and being true to yourself. And then The Energy Bus with John Gordon. John Gordon is a phenomenal author, very short stories, like short books, so really great. I refer my clients to them a lot, but this is a great one, the energy bus. And it’s all about 10 rules. It’s a story about George, and George is miserable. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
You know

Wendy Dodds:
where I was going gonna go with this? What? This no. But this was the very first I

Rob Dale:
didn’t know. Yeah. And I right. Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Well, okay. So I

Kate Beere:
Are we gonna find out? That’s the rest of it I’m gonna find out. Are we gonna find out the rest of it now?

Wendy Dodds:
I guess it’s not just our

Kate Beere:
showing. I’m like, hello. We’re over here.

Wendy Dodds:
But when you gave me the book, Chasing Daylight, I gave you the energy

Kate Beere:
best of luck. Oh, wow. Look at that.

Rob Dale:
I didn’t know finally connected to that. Know that was you had that book. Was killing.

Wendy Dodds:
But it’s a great book. You can literally get through it in a couple of hours, but it’s 10 rules to fuel your life, work in team with positive energy. That’s awesome.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. So good. I’ll do 2 as well. 1, one channel you can follow on Instagram that I think anyone who’s trying to, fuel their healing journey, follow the holistic psychologist

Kate Beere:
Oh, so good.

Eric Deschamps:
On Instagram, doctor Nicole Parra. She’s phenomenal. She’s up to 8, 9,000,000 followers now on Instagram. She’s written some phenomenal books. I’ve ordered a couple of them. They’re in my to do, my read pile, but I haven’t got to that yet. But, just her daily, you’ll benefit from the content.

Kate Beere:
So good.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s so good. So solid. Really, really, good stuff. And the book that I picked, for my 2nd round, one of my favorite authors. I’ve only read 2 of her books. One the most recent one is is, Cassandra Speaks. The author is Elizabeth Lesser.

Wendy Dodds:
I’m almost done that one.

Eric Deschamps:
Oh my god. Such a great read. That’s not the book I’m recommending right now, but I rec highly recommend that one. The first book I ever read Yeah. From her is called Broken Open. Read it in 2017. It was actually, in February February 21st, 2017. I had hit the wall.

Eric Deschamps:
I was in full out burnout. I was on anxiety medication. I was in probably the worst shape of my life, when I read this book, and I lived with this book for over a year. I could only read, little bits of it at a time. Oh, fuck. But she talks about the once born and the twice born. And, the twice born are those in, in the fire who discover themselves and find themselves and come out of the paint come out of that basically like the phoenix rising from ashes. And so that I highly recommend.

Eric Deschamps:
It is a really good book.

Rob Dale:
It yeah. Thank you, Erica.

Kate Beere:
It’s Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Thanks. Powerful, and I love the fact that it impacts you and continues to impact you the way it is today because that’s the kind of books that we’re looking for. So, listen, we wanna hear from you. We wanna know what are some of your favorite books, sources of inspiration, podcasts, all of that. And you can do that. One of the things we wanna encourage you to do is to join our, Facebook group. We have a private Facebook group. You can do that by, if you just simply go to livingrichly.

Rob Dale:
Me, you will find a link that will take you

Eric Deschamps:
to the group. Right on the main page.

Rob Dale:
Right on the main page and you can ask to join. We’ll make sure that, we connect you there. There’s all kinds of incredible conversation. In fact, I might argue, one of my new sources of inspiration is our Facebook group because of the number of people that share and some of the stories that are shared. So we really want you to be a part of that. Of course, as always, like, share, subscribe, do all of the things. You can do that. The The other thing I wanna encourage you to do when you go to living richly dot me is you will find an opportunity there to sign up for a 15 day challenge that we are going to be releasing very soon and you can sign up so that you are one of the very first people to get that.

Rob Dale:
It’s going to be absolutely amazing and a great way to jump start any kind of that, living your best life growth that you wanna do. Thank you again for all of us for being a part of this episode for being able to share this, with us and continue this on this journey. And until we chat next week, get out there and live your best life.

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