Designing the Life You’ve Always Dreamed of

Designing the Life You’ve Always Dreamed Of

Rob Dale:
What would you say to that person that’s like, am I ready? Is it time? What should I do here?

Eric Deschamps:
Take the fucking leap. What do you have to lose? You might get clear, even 10% more clarity on who you are and what you stand for. What do you fucking have to lose? Take the leap.

Rob Dale:
Hi, and welcome to the Living Richly podcast. We are absolutely excited to have you here today. This has been one of those shows that has been in the making for, I think, months Yeah. And months may I was gonna say years,

Rob Dale:
but the podcast has been around for years.

Eric Deschamps:
We haven’t been around.

Rob Dale:
The podcast has been around years. We have been

Rob Dale:
getting but, dude, I haven’t even been around

Rob Dale:
that long. Maybe you have. Yeah. Okay.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Awkward. Yeah. No. Super excited. We are going to be talking today about the 15 day life vision challenge Yeah. That went live today. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
It goes live today. We are absolutely excited about it, and, we’re just can’t wait to have people experience, this all of what is gonna be entailed in this and what we’re doing with it and why it matters, all of that. Maybe, Eric, give us a quick overview of what we’re talking about. We’ve talked about sign up for this life vision challenge. Yeah. What the hell is the life vision challenge?

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. It’s it’s an experience that we’ve created online. It’s absolutely free. That’s really designed at its core to help people get clear on who they are and what they stand for. We’ve talked so much on the show about living according to other people’s expectations and getting stuck in living a supposed life and not knowing really what we’re about, and that’s a miserable way to live. And and authenticity, being true to yourself, been such a strong message. It’s central to the Living Richly Nation, and this experience is designed to help people do just that. Get clear on their core values, get clear on what makes them happy, what fills their cup, use the elements as a a a method to kinda envision your best life, and then identify the people, places, and power sources you need in your life, to live the life you’ve always dreamed of.

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. I love it. Getting getting clear and clarity is one thing that a lot of people share with us

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
In terms of taking away the fog and just becoming more clear on on whatever aspect of of their vision is. Eric, you talk about designing your dream life as a really crucial part of, the quadrant model. So can you explain, the concept of the Quadrant model and how designing your dream life fits into that?

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. So this is a model for it’s interesting. I called it Quadrant when it first came to me, and that was part of, a journey we’ll talk about, in a few minutes. But, originally, the entire model was what really comprises now the 15 day challenge. But as the podcast has evolved, as we’ve evolved together, as my journey’s evolved, I came to realize that’s just one part of it. It’s actually part 2. So you can think of what we’re gonna be focused on today as sort of part 2 of the process. But the quadrant model in its whole is it starts by reclaiming your story.

Eric Deschamps:
Most of us are looking to just get over our past. We’re looking to put it behind us and move on. But in our past lies all kinds of gold for us to mine that helps us really become the best person that we were meant to be. And so we we we spend some time on that, and that’s forthcoming. There’s works being done on developing that. Then we have designing your dream life, which is what we’re focusing on today. Once we’ve gotten clear on our past and what we can carry forward, what we choose to carry forward, what our dream life looks like, then there’s about showing up and being fully present in the moment. Because I think a lot of folks are so obsessed about the future and stuck on hang ups from their past.

Eric Deschamps:
They’re not really showing up right now. So that whole third part of the quadrant is all about teaching people how to be really mindful. And then finally, the last part of the quadrant is about giving back. It’s about the legacy that you’re gonna leave behind. Because I think all of this self help stuff and all this personal growth stuff is fantastic. But if it’s all just for us, then we’re missing something. I think the purpose of transformation, the purpose of us being free and becoming the best version of ourselves is because we so that we can make the world a better place. So that’s the model in its in its whole, and there’s more forthcoming on that in the months to come.

Eric Deschamps:
I love it.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. You’re you’re clearly passionate about it, and I’ve been closely knit by your side as you’ve been building this out, and I see your passion every single day in it. Maybe walk our listeners through where the concept came from and, like, why, like, why is it so important?

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. So April 2022, my second great awakening. I had come through a really dark time, and I was familiar with dark nights of the soul, but this one was different. Something clicked. A lot of the work that I’ve been doing for years, work in therapy, personal development work, trying to overcome stuff. And in that season, it’s like a bunch of stuff just landed, and I’ve talked about it on previous episodes. And what emerged actually out of my whole experience, and it that whole experience was heavily documented because I was journaling every day. I was writing every day and, and and stuff was coming to me.

Eric Deschamps:
Remember, I guess, was driving probably Rob crazy with these early morning texting, dude. Right? Like like, I just thought of this or this just came to me or I just had this epiphany. And what emerged was that, designing your dream life model, that quadrant model that makes up the, the the the 15 day challenge, That getting clear on who you are, what you want out of life, and what your dream life looks like, and then actively building it. The vast majority of people never even ask themselves the questions that this experience creates. And, it it’s pretty powerful when we start getting really deliberate. Rather than coasting, we’re choosing. Rather than drifting, we’re deciding. That’s what this is all about.

Rob Dale:
And I you know, to just to piggyback on that because, of course, you know, like you said, I was there in those moments. Probably blocking me on your phone. Well, and and even the we’re being very deliberate. No. I was I was so and and, you know, again, I so celebrate you and celebrate the journey that you have been on and count you as, you know, my best friend, my my brother, and to be able to watch that awakening happen. And not just firing you up, but firing me up, causing me to again, we talk about community. You, through those mess, messages. And and and for those listening, like, again, the Eric you see on the show is the Eric you get.

Rob Dale:
But 100%. Unfortunately.

Rob Dale:
I think it’s this is the the tone down, Eric. Oh, wow. Right? This is

Rob Dale:
the right? But this is the Eric you get. And and I can remember you sending me, you gotta listen to this song, and it’s you know, I’m sitting here, and I’m weeping right now as I’m list like, that was where you were at. And and all of what we do and we talk about here with Living Richly, and in a way, we’re interviewing you today. It seems like, well, they keep asking we want to do that because you’ve created this mindset, this model, this, you know, this this whole journey thing that we’ve been able to jump on and enjoy and make it our own and and start to, bring our own contributions to it. But all of this came out of your own this isn’t just some theory that you kind of, hey. This would sound really great, and thanks, Chat GPT, for helping me. Right? This this came out of your life’s awakening

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And then it it bred to it came into this.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Like, it and it the word awakening, I use very, very deliberately because I felt up until that moment, although in my life, there’s been lots of seasons of joy. I’ve described it on previous episodes. I was leaking. I couldn’t sustain it Yeah. Because I was I was missing that sense of self, and I wasn’t clear about who I was. And and and so all of this coming together and then the conversations we were having about what would it mean to live richly in, and this all evolved, and and, ultimately, the podcast was birthed out of those conversations that we said something powerful is happening here. Something special is happening here, and we don’t wanna keep it to ourselves.

Eric Deschamps:
We wanna share it. And in sharing it, perhaps attract others who are in a similar journey

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Who can contribute to it. And and lo and behold, these two wonderful people show up and change the show for the better, and we got a serious upgrade when they, joined the journey.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. Now you’re stuck with us.

Eric Deschamps:
Gladly stuck. Forever.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Users tell listeners tell us that all the time.

Eric Deschamps:
They say, wait. When did you

Rob Dale:
You better not fucking ever

Rob Dale:
do anything. Like, they’re there.

Eric Deschamps:
You guys can go. They can’t go.

Rob Dale:
We’re not

Eric Deschamps:
allowed to go. Wendy and Kate.

Kate Beere:
So embracing core values is one of the key elements of the of the 15 day challenge.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Maybe a question for all of us is, you know, how have your personal values really played into living your best life? Who wants to take it?

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Staring at Rob.

Rob Dale:
Okay. Well, I so for me, my values are are are that filter that I can that that every I’m making decisions around something. I’m trying to they they allow me you know, it’s kinda like the way a filter is supposed to work is it allows clearness, where it allows something to flow through while pulling keeping back all the grit and the the the impurities. And so for me, that’s really what my values have become is as I’ve owned them and really kinda define what they are is now every decision, every even, you know, should I do this, shouldn’t I do this, what do my values say to that? And it allows me to filter so it makes makes life living life so much easier when you can filter when you have a filter that you can bring things to.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. What a great analogy. I I refer to my core values as, like, my internal GPS system. Right. It’s like it keeps me, it keeps me on course. Right? Mine are are courage, curiosity, connection, and compassion. And so I find myself regularly, especially when I’m feeling a little lost or or losing my way or making a big decision. What does what does courage look like in this situation? What does compassion look like? What does connection look like? Right? And and so it guides my actions and keeps me more on core.

Eric Deschamps:
Keeps me on course more often.

Rob Dale:
I love

Eric Deschamps:
I’d love to say I’m on course all the time, but it keeps me it’s like my North Star, my GPS system. It brings me back to the core of who I am.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And talking about your GPS, and and I use it as comp I I say compass sometimes. Yeah. But it acts as my road map. But I’m also the first to admit that I didn’t even really know or even think about what my values were until, a couple of years ago. I kinda, like, had them all floating around until I actually sat down and did an exercise, and we had used, the one of our values decks Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Individually, and it was such an eye opening exercise because it really helped me able to pinpoint exactly, what they were, but then tie it into the decisions that I not just think about, but that I make. So

Eric Deschamps:
Right.

Wendy Dodds:
I find that it’s helped me live in alignment with more authenticity. And I’ve I’ve always been an authentic person, but I feel like I have more clarity around that.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. It’s so, so good. Yeah. I know for me, it’s, it’s all of those things, and and it’s also a bit of a gut check when I’m off. Like, if something’s really upset me, we’ve talked about this a lot. Okay. So what value is that is that going against

Wendy Dodds:
for you?

Kate Beere:
It’s going against one of your value. If you’re this upset, if you’re this pissed off about something, it’s going likely, it’s going against one of your core values. And when you can figure out what that value is, it kinda helps you dissect what’s going on, and it allows you to look at it like, oh, okay. That’s what’s going on because I believe so strongly in this, and what’s showing up over here is the polar opposite

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
And I’m allergic to this.

Rob Dale:
I I love that you’re even using that in using your values in that way because we talk so much even in trauma or in feelings, whatever. It might the the power of naming

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Rob Dale:
What’s going on. Yeah. So when you can name the this is is is happening because it’s pushing against this value by naming it now. I’ve got the power over it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that’s absolutely incredible.

Eric Deschamps:
And a great friend of ours, he’s also one of our coaches at Rhapsody. He’s been on the show a couple of times, Steve Osmond. He says that, when you get And there And there is great power. Like, you you mentioned, Wendy, you you had them floating around. You had a sense of what they were. But there is something about moving it out of this this space of it’s it’s sort of vague and it’s I know one, client of mine and and this model, by the way, I’ve been using it with clients for

Rob Dale:
a

Eric Deschamps:
while now, field testing it and trying it. And when I first started working with him, this guy’s probably done, probably the the most, reflective individual I’ve ever worked with. He had all kinds of work already done. And when I act asked him about his values, he said, well, yeah, I’ve got, like, 25 of them.

Rob Dale:
Right.

Eric Deschamps:
And I said, well, that’s fantastic. You’ve narrowed it down to that. I said, but it’s too many. Yeah. He says, well, what do you mean by that? Why is 4 or 5 magical? There is something about the power of focus. Mhmm. And when everything matters to the same degree, nothing matters to the same degree. So the importance of narrowing it down, it’s not that the, and that’s the tough process, right, of doing this work is So which of these values which what’s the language that really represents who I am? It it’s not easy to do that work, but the power of clarity is you’re able to pass your filter is clear.

Eric Deschamps:
Your, your road map is clear. Right? What upsets you? Like, you you have a sense of what really, you’re all about, and there’s so much power in that focus.

Rob Dale:
You are the, king of acronyms. You are Is that

Eric Deschamps:
what I am? Yeah. Yeah. I wanna be you know, never mind.

Rob Dale:
No. In fact, there’s an acronym for king there in

Eric Deschamps:
the home. I’ll just is there is there kind, intelligent, nefarious, gregarious.

Rob Dale:
There you go. Not bad.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s it’s A nefarious is a little bit.

Rob Dale:
No. Yeah. Yeah. But we’ll we’ll get one. And we we joke. And I don’t know if it’s you from your old preacher days or what it is, but you you certainly and but it is a great way to remember things. And you did create 1, and it’s part of the challenge. It’s one

Eric Deschamps:
of the days of the challenge you introduced the whole concept of of core values, and you have the acronym core. Core. Yeah. Central, observable, relevant, and evolving. When we talk about values, it’s so easy for us to, have what we call aspirational values. These are things we would like to be, we would like to lean into, but they’re actually not part of who we are yet. And in the world of business, if we have a business owner or a group of owners together and they’re calling core values something that’s aspirational, we always say, like, that’s kinda disconnected. If you go to your people and say, one of our core values is the following, and they it’s not central to your day to day decisions.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s not observable in your behaviors. It’s not relevant really to what you do on a day to day basis, and your understanding of it is not evolving. It’s probably aspirational. Right? It’s probably not core

Kate Beere:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
To who you are. So, you know, again, that centrality of a value is that it guides everything. You know, people who know you well can say, yeah. I observe that in you. I can see that in the way that you conduct your life. And it’s the last 2 for me though that are really, really powerful as well is this this notion of relevant. That because you had a value 10 years ago, 5 years ago, they meant those shift over time based on what you’re experiencing and how you’re evolving. So revisiting them to say, is this still relevant to me? Is this still important to me to the same degrees before? Is really, really important.

Eric Deschamps:
And evolving sounds similar, but, no, is my understanding of my values deepening over time?

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
Am I coming to know, for example, Eric, what does courage mean to you? Like, what does it mean to me now? What does compassion mean to me now? Well, I can, like, my my understanding that is evolving over time. It’s deepened.

Rob Dale:
Well and and I think it you know, to tie into that because I remember when I first when saw this acronym and you walked me through this part of the model, I thought of my value of community. And does community pass, which, you know, there’s a sniff test. Right. Does it does it pass the sniff test? Does it pass the core test? Is that you know? And and I was able to look at it. Yeah. Exactly. I could see how each of this fit. How I see community today is different than I did 10 years ago.

Rob Dale:
The community that I’m connected to today is different than the community I was connected to 10 years ago. Right. And that’s okay Yeah. Because it’s evolving, because the community that I’m connecting the my need in community is a deeper need

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Than what I understood it to be 10 years ago, you know, or whatever time that right. So I love being able to use something like Core to be able to test out, are these values the real relevant values for me?

Eric Deschamps:
And it’s been amazing, actually. The folks that were part of our beta test for the 15 day challenge, some of the feedback was incredible. Some of it was, you know, while my husband and I did the values deck exercise about a year ago, and we identified our values. But as they were working through the beta test together, the 15 day challenge experience on the core values piece, he came to realize that, the some of the values he had chosen, were not truly his, but they’re what he thought people would want him to pick. He thought this is what I should choose, only to realize, no. These are not actually true to my core.

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
They’re true to somebody else’s. So he’s working on it. He worked on redefining those. We had, several participants who came to identify core values and say, this has been true of my story so far. I don’t think these values serve me very well. And I need to perhaps embrace some new ones because they’re actually keeping me stuck, in a certain, place in my life. And and finally, we had Don LaChanze who’s been on the show here. He’s talked openly about this, who grief during yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
Our our grief, a specialist, unrecovery specialist. I he was going through the challenge, and he’s he he emailed me one day or he messaged me one day, and he was apologizing. Said, Eric, I’m so sorry. I’ve been absent from, the beta test. He says, but I found myself really really moved by some of the questions, And he was really moved by the core, piece. And he says, I’ve been spending a lot of time really reflecting on that, and I promise I’ll get back to the challenge as soon as possible. To which my response was, oh, Don, it like, my brother, you you haven’t been absent at all. It sounds like you’ve just gotten very present to what really, really matters for you, and you’re getting a level of clarity you’ve never

Kate Beere:
Well, and I think what’s important to note there is, like, we call it the 15 day challenge. It it doesn’t mean it has to happen in 15

Eric Deschamps:
days. That’s so good.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And I think, you know and clarifying that with Don and him coming back, like, if you’re taking 3 days and it’s sinking in and you’re really doing some profound work, Amazing. Do

Rob Dale:
the work.

Eric Deschamps:
I mean,

Wendy Dodds:
the 18 day job.

Rob Dale:
That’s like work.

Eric Deschamps:
21 days. Yeah. I I almost see it like it’s actually 15 crafted reflective exercises. Takes about 30 minutes a day. Some may take longer again depending on the depth you wanna go in. But you’ll watch a short video. You’ll do a little bit of reading, and most of it is spent, answering some reflection questions that we’ve curated for you to really help you go deep. So to your point, 15 days, is it 15 sessions? Is it 15, moments? It’s really designed for people to take their time if they want to.

Eric Deschamps:
If they wanna go through it, kinda do a first pass and come back, it’s been designed. You can do it whichever way makes most sense

Kate Beere:
to me.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. I think I think my favorite part of seeing the beta test the early beta testers of this challenge, and what they’ve experienced is permission for people to do it. Like, not everybody’s gonna do it the same way, meaning in terms of the same they might spend more time on one day than another. Like, Dawn was a great example of, you know, maybe it’ll take longer than 15 days, but hearing people’s revelations and journeys and almost, becoming, giving themselves permission that it’s okay to it doesn’t have to be followed. Here’s here’s the outline, but this is how your journey is gonna evolve, and it’s different for everyone. And I love that people have shared that. One thing people have said though is that it’s hard work. Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. It’s hard work. Right? It’s about kinda turning your mind off with all of these distractions and getting really present with what’s, important to you to be able to to answer this. So while early beta testers of the challenge have said that the core value work is hard work, it’s not easy work, but it’s transformational. But, again, it’s still not easy. Yeah. So what would you say to that?

Eric Deschamps:
Well, I would say that perfection is never the goal. Progress is. And, I’ve said to some I said to some of those early beta testers when they were giving us that feedback, what if you only got 10%, 20% clearer on who you are and what you stand for? What would that be worth to you? How how how transformational could it be? Would it be for you to just get that much more clarity? Yeah. The vast majority of people on the planet never will go to the grave without ever asking themselves these questions. They will follow the world’s pattern, their family’s expectations, the supposed life that we’ve talked about, and they never get present to it. So is it any wonder that when we finally start wrestling with those questions, it’s not gonna be easy? But it is totally, totally worth it.

Rob Dale:
I I think you missed the mark. I I I see all kinds of people online that promise, the easy button.

Rob Dale:
Just

Rob Dale:
just do this, these three steps, and your life will be transformed. I mean, dude, like, you couldn’t have had, like, 15 day steps to easy transformation.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? Right.

Rob Dale:
Right. I mean, no. We I jest because we I jest. Let’s I jest. Oh, Ron

Eric Deschamps:
Ron Jester has joined us for the show today.

Rob Dale:
Like, just a little bit. Be careful. There’ll be a brouhaha. Don’t

Rob Dale:
get me talking old again. I can’t my day. This is a journey.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And it’s and, Jesse, when he was on. Right? He talked about him as he was working through his values, and he’s he may it’s fucking hard work. Yeah. But it’s worth it.

Eric Deschamps:
But he redefined his life. Right? Like, he got clear on what his values were, and then he started to look at his life going, I’m out of alignment. Right. Right? But okay. So that’s a painful realization to come to. But think of, think of the ability to say, and yet, I now have the power to choose. I now have the power to align my life to who I am and what I stand for as opposed to just living according to the shoulds, musts, and have tos.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
And I think one what’s been really cool watching the sort of beta group is while you’re doing these exercises alone, there’s there was a community set up for people to connect.

Rob Dale:
Yes.

Wendy Dodds:
And so what you

Kate Beere:
were hearing was everyone sharing their stories around, oh, this part was hard, and, like, oh, did you find this? And so building that is also building a while you’re doing it, because it is an individual

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Exercise, to be able to then connect with other people who are doing the same challenge and ask questions. And so that community came together too.

Rob Dale:
Beauty of even as we, again, let me remind you, those of you listening, this is free.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Free.

Rob Dale:
Right? Like, that’s that’s the part when you think about we start talking about not just the amount of of stuff that’s that’s a part of this.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
And and you go back. Love that you brought up the community and and because that community, we why we’ve been pushing the the Facebook group, the the Living Rich Lee nation is because that community is already there for everyone who jumps in and does this challenge. That community will continue to be there Yeah. To help support, to help work through, and people can. Oh, I’m struggling with this, and there’ll be 10 people to raise their hand and say, yeah. I remember going. Yeah. People that are now have done the work Yeah.

Rob Dale:
That others are maybe just beginning to do.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. You

Wendy Dodds:
know what I love most about the community is the feeling of trust Yeah. That people have in there now to be able to share, and just that feeling of inclusivity

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Absolutely. That,

Wendy Dodds:
you know, you can just see people connecting with each other, people that don’t even know each other that have now found themselves on similar journeys. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
In a similar community. Right? The the the one other thing I would say to those that are finding the work hard and will find the work hard as you jump into it and not all of it is hard, but some days are tougher than others, because of the nature of the questions that you’re wrestling with, is remember that it’s all about radical self acceptance. Right? I remember in the early days of the podcast, we were sharing sort of these concepts that have evolved to become what they are today, And then we went, wait a second. We missed something. The starting point is self acceptance, self compassion to be kind to yourself. You’re not behind. If you don’t do a day’s exercise, you’re not behind. You’re exactly where you need to be.

Eric Deschamps:
Even if you fall several days behind or maybe you only come back to it once a week, the point is you’re carving out time and space to ask yourself some of the most important questions you will ever ask yourself so that you can start designing the life you’ve always dreamed of.

Rob Dale:
One of our favorite, episodes, was when we had Kelly Flanagan on. And and, you know, the book Lovable had so

Eric Deschamps:
impacted. He’s confirmed. We’re happy to come back.

Rob Dale:
We’re in the conversations with him right now, and, yes, we’ll have him back on in the next in the next few months. But that notion again, that everything else, you you miss the mark on everything else if you don’t start with loving yourself. Right. Yeah. And the notion of lovable, that that whole idea of that internal that that radical self acceptance is the starting point

Rob Dale:
of

Rob Dale:
of everything else. Alright. So let me shift gears a little bit. We’ve got our acronym. We’ve got our core. I’m now walking around giving acronyms to everything in life and everything that I’m doing.

Eric Deschamps:
That that really wasn’t the point. Oh,

Rob Dale:
see, I always miss it. I just I’m always right there, and then I miss it. I thought I thought

Rob Dale:
living the best life was

Rob Dale:
something that I could have done.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s not really about that.

Rob Dale:
So I’ve got my core values. I’m starting to use them as my filter. I’m figuring that stuff out. The next step in the 15 days is to now figure out the happiness inventory, and and the energy drainers. They kinda go hand in hand. Talk a little bit about about that.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. It’s it’s really ultimately about figuring out, when you think of the things that really fill your cup and make you happy, what are those? And and and those are the people, the places, and the pursuits that you in involve yourself in. Right? So the activities, the environments, and the relationships that you have. It’s to start, we spend a whole day focusing on what we call your happiness inventory. What are the who are the people, places, and pursuits that you engage in that when you do them, you feel energized. They bring you joy. They make you happy. Very few people ever get clear on that stuff.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? And the exercise of of doing it and looking, we we do this very deliberately. Look at your personal life. What are all the things that make you happy in your personal life? What are all the things that make you happy professionally? And some might say, why you do the professional thing? You spend 40 hours a week on the job. We spend more time at work

Wendy Dodds:
At least.

Eric Deschamps:
Or more. We better get clear on what makes us happy at work and learn how to turn that up as well. Energy drains is the exact opposite. You’ll spend another day thinking about what are the things that actually drain you. And the purpose is ultimately to look at those lists, And what’s, what was obvious for me when I did this back in, became obvious for me back in, April, May 2022 when I was working through this stuff, is is that there were some some themes that emerged that were really, really clear. For me, my living richly themes are living well, Creating moments and experiences and doing the best I can to squeeze the, every bit out of life that I possibly can. Loving well, my relationships, the people closest to me. You No.

Eric Deschamps:
Look up my friends.

Rob Dale:
How we kinda look over.

Eric Deschamps:
Loving well really matters to me. And and I could see that in in through the work that I did that that my relationships are really important to me. Being well, which is, you know, has everything to do. This is actually where we’re gonna talk about this in a moment, where the elements showed up. What does being well look like for me? Where I talk about that in a second. But, being my best self when it comes to my mind, my heart, my spirit, my body. And then finally, what were the what what are the rituals that you needed to have in place, right, to to really, follow through on this. So that all came out of that journey.

Eric Deschamps:
Or sorry. Serving well was my final living Richelieu theme. I got a little distracted there. So living well, loving well, being well, and serving well. When I’m giving back and making a difference, I really feel alive. So now when I what I realized is when I’m starting to feel like I’m in a funk or I’m not feeling the way that I wanna be feeling, it’s not about being happy all the time because that’s not realistic. But I can off I can just look at my themes and say, which one am I neglecting? And where do I need to lean into? And if it’s loving well or living well, I can go there and say, well, what are all the things I listed under that? What if I just went out today and went for a paddle board on the river? A little cold still, but, right? You you have a, you have a resource to turn to to say how do I actually self regulate, and how do I turn up the volume on the things that make me happy, And how do I dial down the noise on the things, that steal my dream?

Wendy Dodds:
I love that. And that’s such a that analogy is so simple for people to understand. I find sometimes with things like this, people get overwhelmed because they find it’s too complicated. Right.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
And I love that just this is broken down so clean and simple that it’s just easy for people to understand. And the adjusting the volume analogy is is a great analogy for Yeah. Right away, when you say that, I was like, oh, I know what I need to turn the volume.

Kate Beere:
Oh, I go like this. I don’t. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
I don’t. That’s it.

Wendy Dodds:
But adjusting the volume in our lives can be tough. Really tough when we’ve got everything going on, all the things for all the people that want all the things from us every day, as well as all the distractions. So if we have an open discussion around the 4 of us, what are some strategies, that each of us can recommend or come up with for dialing down the noise on some of those depleters that will then allow us to make more room to fill our cup with the things that we love.

Kate Beere:
I think it’s like I’m I’m just gonna jump in. I think it’s if you start observing like, I think the number one thing is we like, writing it down right is great, but then observe how you feel when one of those things is happening. So if there’s a situation that really turns your volume down, let’s say, right, there’s something happening and you’re not it’s you’re not happy. It’s not a good place for you. Your body feels observe it. Don’t judge it. Just observe it and get present to how you’re feeling in that moment. So if you start doing that on what, oh, what’s bringing me joy? Oh, that’s really interesting how I feel in my body.

Kate Beere:
I’m a big believer that we don’t listen to our bodies enough when we’re in uncomfortable or comfortable situations.

Rob Dale:
So So good.

Kate Beere:
We know intuitively sometimes that it’s off, but we don’t know why. So if you can tap into just starting to observe, oh, that’s weird. Oh, like, I just don’t I feel and, like, it literally sometimes just feels like that. It just feels off. Sometimes it’s in your gut. Sometimes you’re like, I don’t know. It can fire differently for everybody. Yeah.

Kate Beere:
Just get present and start observing how you

Eric Deschamps:
feel.

Rob Dale:
I think that’s and absolutely. And the more you’re present, the more you sense I think the other thing I would say along those lines is is, it’s again, I’ve said this a few times, it’s a journey. Yeah. But it’s so important for us to keep that in mind. Yeah. You know, first time I did this exercise, I come up with, and there’s the 10 things that, you know, that I need to dial down. They’re all energy drains. Well, if I go out tomorrow and just say, oh, I’m cutting those 10 things

Rob Dale:
off. Right?

Eric Deschamps:
Wouldn’t that

Rob Dale:
be great? Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Would be wonderful, but then you’re dealing with a whole bunch of other energy graders.

Rob Dale:
Right. You know,

Eric Deschamps:
like getting fired from your job. Right? You’re like going to work

Rob Dale:
and say, sorry. That was an energy journey. Or,

Rob Dale:
like, too bad. Right. So it’s about it’s about little by little.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s slowly

Rob Dale:
by slowly. It’s just being able to go, okay. I’m gonna maybe I’m gonna take that from a 10 to an 8. Right. And then next week, I’m gonna try to dial that down a little bit more, and then and then I’ll do this one. And I like I love as I’m dialing this down, I’m bringing this up

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
At the same time. But this is a journey. Yeah. It may take years to really fully get these things down to 0 or on the mute, and they may sometimes still pop up. Right? Sure. But giving yourself permission to just go, I’m just gonna do this, pace myself in doing this a little bit at a time. Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Yeah. I I love that what you just brought up because we live in a society where everything’s we need to be done right away, and everything is Amazon. I mean, if it doesn’t show up or it’s not fixed in the next day, then it’s useless. And I didn’t I mean, I see it in the fitness space all the time. Like Yeah. Right. You’re not gonna build biceps in 4 minutes.

Wendy Dodds:
Like, that’s you know? So unless, you know

Kate Beere:
Unless you’re Rob. But where you’re,

Wendy Dodds:
you know, you know, so

Rob Dale:
Always. Yes.

Eric Deschamps:
Yes. But you were saying?

Rob Dale:
As I was saying, Kate. I’m, I’m very ready.

Wendy Dodds:
But your energy flows where your energy goes. So starting to pay attention, and I really like what you mentioned in regards to being observant because I think that’s how we identify patterns. We only identify patterns. It’s like it’s like food intolerances. We don’t know until you start observing and paying attention and writing things down to create a pattern. So starting to figure out and realize where your energy where where your energy is going, how is that flowing?

Eric Deschamps:
Is it

Wendy Dodds:
flowing smooth? Is it, you know, is it like a free flowing waterfall? Yeah. Or is it like, you know, you know, a dam that’s all, like, got chopped up wood and and all kinds of debris in it? How does that look? Because what we see depends on what we look for.

Eric Deschamps:
A 100%. I I and I would say I would, add to that that it’s again, what if you could turn up the volume of what makes you happy by 10 or 20%.

Wendy Dodds:
Thought you were gonna say turn up your bicep.

Eric Deschamps:
Turn up your bicep so I could do that too. Right. But what if you could just do, again, that that little by little, slowly by slowly, analogy that, Rob, you used, that it’s not about doing it all at once. But if you can begin to shift the pattern shift the pattern, people deserve more happiness. They deserve more joy. They deserve to enjoy life a lot more. And if we can begin to make that difference and it’s not about this pie in the sky idea that we’re gonna be happy and smiley all the time. No.

Eric Deschamps:
Life is life is life, and we’re gonna go through ups and downs. But would you rather do that when your tank is, like, empty, or would you rather have a tank that’s more full more of the time so that when those hard times hard times come, you’ve got fuel?

Rob Dale:
And Right? And, again, most people never do this work. They never do this work. And it’s because it’s it seems so simple. Figure out what makes you happy. Right? But I I challenge anybody listening right now. And, yeah, sure.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Listen to me. Like, if

Rob Dale:
you’re listening right now or you’re watching, here’s a challenge for you. The next person you see standing in line at at the coffee shop or, you know, wherever at work or whatever, just turn them and go, so what makes you happy? And watch how probably 90 to 95% of people, chocolate. My dog. Right? Like like

Rob Dale:
I don’t. My dog. Hey. Probably a dog.

Kate Beere:
Top five answer for sure.

Rob Dale:
Oh my god. I think

Eric Deschamps:
it happens. I can’t even get them. Right. I’m sorry. They’re not dog lovers.

Rob Dale:
Sorry, folks. You can’t no.

Eric Deschamps:
You have to take the cash if you’re not a dog lover.

Rob Dale:
It’s okay. I don’t know. It’ll cost you.

Eric Deschamps:
It was costing you.

Rob Dale:
It’s not free for you. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
There’s a premium. You pay a nonpet premium.

Rob Dale:
There’s a paw print before. You have to get your dog’s paw

Eric Deschamps:
That’s right. To log in.

Rob Dale:
Log in. We’re

Kate Beere:
But we’re really not that specific.

Eric Deschamps:
We’re gonna build that in.

Rob Dale:
We are way off top. We are We are. Need a host.

Rob Dale:
We are.

Wendy Dodds:
So Thanks, Kate.

Rob Dale:
I’m gonna I’m gonna step in. Thank you.

Kate Beere:
You talked earlier about the elements. Right? And and that coming to life in the quadrant model. Model. And you talk about elemental visioneering, which is a big word.

Eric Deschamps:
Yep.

Kate Beere:
And It’s a

Rob Dale:
hard word.

Eric Deschamps:
It’s a good word. You like that word.

Kate Beere:
But it’s really to help people tap into all of the elements. Right? So mind, heart, spirit, and body. I’m reading because I’m gonna forget one for sure. But, like, how can people begin to kinda use that framework or that thinking to sort of map out the vision for where they’re going, their life?

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. I think it’s a powerful, concept. Again, this isn’t something I learned from anybody. It’s something that emerged from my journey. That part of that journey was the, the I was inspired to research the elements, the the four elements of nature, water, fire, wind, and earth, as elements or as symbols. Water stands for your mind, the quality of your mind. Right? Fire, the quality of your heart. Wind stands for spirit throughout throughout time, and earth has always been related to body.

Eric Deschamps:
And elemental visioneering, that word is chosen very carefully. Visioneering is not a term I came up with. It was a term came up by a guy by the name of Andy Stanley came up with decades ago, and it was the idea of creating a vision then engineering your life to fit. Right? So it’s visioneering. It combines those 2 concepts of both envisioning it and then building it. Elemental obviously speaks to the 4 elements, but it really comes down to when you, the and the the the 15 day challenge, you’ll spend a day on each element. Right? Reflecting on, for example, your mind. When you think of your mind at its best, what does that look like? What does your thought life look like? What does your mental discipline look like? Mhmm.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? What is your, self talk? Right? When how are you learning? How are you growing in that respect? So when you think of each element, your heart at its best. Right? Your heart is is is fire, but it’s it’s your emotions. How what’s your emotional life? I don’t know if anybody here has ever gotten in trouble with their emotions going the wrong way on you. I don’t know.

Kate Beere:
I don’t know.

Rob Dale:
I just don’t know.

Eric Deschamps:
But when to say When you think of, like, what are the one of the questions is what three emotions would you like to experience more, on a regular basis? Right? Like, to start envisioning again. What about your relationships? Heart also speaks or fire also speaks of your relationships. What do those look like when they’re at their best? Your passions. So many people lack passion. I’m real passionate about this. You could tell. But, a lot of folks lack passion. They have no enthusiasm about life.

Eric Deschamps:
What are the things that you could get excited about? What is your heart its best look like? Your spirit. Spirituality, I get that’s a loaded one. It can mean different things to different people. But it’s about to me simply put right across the board, whether it’s religion, whether it’s a philosophy, whether it’s nature, is you’re connecting with something bigger than yourself. Mhmm. You’re connecting with something larger. So what does that look like? And finally, when we talk about health and vitality, we’re not just talking about the the buff people at the gym, you know, that are all carved out. But what does your body that’s best look like in terms of energy levels, in terms of vitality, in terms of strength, in terms of movement so that you can make the most out of this thing.

Eric Deschamps:
I I use the the phrase live long and strong. And a a big part of me of living rich Lee in its essence, we define it near the beginning, was having full access to the all of the resources of the mind, heart, spirit, and body to live your best life. And and that’s what elemental visioning is all about.

Rob Dale:
And and, you know, down the road when we are, like, ridiculously famous with living ritzy, you know What

Eric Deschamps:
do you mean that’s not yet? No. I mean, that’s

Rob Dale:
not yet. But, yeah.

Rob Dale:
That’s the visioneering. Hold on.

Rob Dale:
You know, for for listeners who maybe haven’t had the opportunity to listen to the early episodes, colors that we use each week

Eric Deschamps:
represent the 4

Rob Dale:
elements, and they shift. Some of you are gonna start paying attention on the YouTube channel. You’ll see the the colors of the covers of every YouTube, episode change to emphasize the different elements. That’s how serious we are and how much we’ve embraced this at the at the heart of what living richly is about are the are these 4 elements. In the challenge, we go into now taking all of that, and there’s this moment where you challenge people to create a personal manifesto.

Eric Deschamps:
I just got I just got chills when you said it out loud. Yeah. It’s combining at this point, of the challenge. You will have gotten clear or much greater clarity on your core values. You will have done the work of creating at least the first draft of your happiness inventory, your energy drain list. You will have taken a stab at what is my mind at its best, heart at its best, spirit at its best, body at its best look like. And then you’re gonna combine all of that through a guided exercise to create a declaration of what your best life looks like. We make declarations about all kinds of things.

Eric Deschamps:
We even make oaths about all kinds of things, and oftentimes, they’re not very positive. Some people listening, I know I did it for years. The declarations over my life was that, you know, I I was a freak and I was unlovable and that people, if they got to know me, they would leave me. Right? Those are just some of them that, literally ran my life and ruined my life for a really long time. This is an opportunity for people now to make a declaration to themselves and to the universe about the kind of person they want to be, the kind of person they are, and the kind of person they are becoming. So it’s not about fancy language. It’s don’t worry about the grammar. Don’t worry about but make a declaration.

Eric Deschamps:
Start to say, this is what I envision for my life. That’s what the manifesto is all about.

Wendy Dodds:
Oh, I love that. And I think declaring that

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Wendy Dodds:
And having the right people in your circle to be able to support that is key. And when we when we talk about building our support system, which we touched on a little bit earlier, might might be different. In fact, it should be different than it was 10 years ago.

Eric Deschamps:
Right. Doesn’t

Wendy Dodds:
doesn’t mean you need to ditch everybody in your life from trying to sell, but

Rob Dale:
as you

Wendy Dodds:
grow and evolve

Eric Deschamps:
Rob, I did meaning to have a

Rob Dale:
conversation. Done. That was

Rob Dale:
easy. That was easy.

Wendy Dodds:
But building a supportive ecosystem, I I think all of us can agree is truly essential for any kind of growth, and kinda getting out of our minds of having to soldier on alone, having the right people. How do you suggest, those who are listening, start to curate their inner circle?

Eric Deschamps:
And and I I love that you use the language inner circle. So that’s really what we’re talking about here. We all of us will have a number of acquaintances in our life, even friends that are in our lives, family, people at work. Like, we on a typical, lifetime, like, we interact with an awful lot of people. But your inner circle, like, show me your friends. I’ll show you your future. Mhmm. Right? Was it Jim Rohn who said you are the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with? When we’re talking about the inner circle, are these people that are going to support you in your journey or or not? And and in AA, they talk about this concept of upper companions and lower companions.

Eric Deschamps:
And we would lead you through an exercise of identifying who your upper companions are. Upper companions, lower companions. Let me start there. They’re the folks that are very happy to see you just stay where you are. They’re happy to just do the everyday stuff and not really wrestle with any of these questions because any growth on your part might make them feel uncomfortable. Right? Anybody who decides to break beyond mediocrity is gonna make the people around them feel uncomfortable. You’ll know their upper companions when they start cheering you on when you do that, when they support you, and even are are pulling you forward and calling you out at times to stay true to the journey. These are the kinds of people that we wanna find in our lives.

Eric Deschamps:
Not an easy thing to do, but that’s why being part of a community where more like minded people are together, like the Living Richly Nation that, our Facebook group, you’re gonna find people like that in that group that are on a similar path.

Rob Dale:
We share a powerful quote, even in the challenges, one that we have lived by almost since day 1 of Rhapsody when we were bringing on coaches. We used to use this, an old African proverb that says if you wanna go, far if you wanna go fast, go alone. Yeah. If you wanna go far, go together.

Eric Deschamps:
100%.

Rob Dale:
And this notion of you can make fast changes in your life on your own. I’m not sure if you can really take the journey on

Kate Beere:
your own.

Rob Dale:
It’s difficult. It’s true. It really does require community, the people around you surrounding yourself, that inner circle being, you know, so critical to that success that you have.

Eric Deschamps:
I couldn’t agree more. I mean, you have each person has to do the work for themselves.

Rob Dale:
Yes.

Eric Deschamps:
But it takes a village. Right? We need people in our lives that are gonna support us on that journey because at times, it can get really lonely, and it can get hard surrounding yourself with like minded people that are committed to living their best life. And we’re all gonna be at different parts of the stages of that journey, But make sure you surround yourself with people that have a growth mindset, and are committed to their ongoing evolution. That’s what that whole section’s about.

Kate Beere:
Yeah. And along with that, you talk about practices and power sources.

Rob Dale:
Mhmm.

Kate Beere:
Right? And how those are so key to continuing on the growth.

Rob Dale:
Yeah. Do you

Kate Beere:
have some good examples that you can maybe share?

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Practices. It started off, I used the word rituals. Practices of rituals is is synonymous for me. These are once you have a sense of who you are, what you stand for, the kind of life that you want, well, again, who are the people you need in your corner, to build that kind of life? And then what are the regular habits, practices you need to build in, right, to to help you build that life? And what what outside sources of inspiration, motivation, knowledge, and learning do you need to connect to? Those are your power sources. For me, it came, again through the this work. For me, my rituals, are I can’t give you another acronym. It’s the word nest.

Eric Deschamps:
Right? So for me, nature, right, is one of my practices. Being in nature on a regular basis is huge for me, and you know this to be true. Yeah. Exercise, so important. Movement. Right? Like, I I need to be moving my body. This is a practice that helps me stay at my best. Then I’ve got some solo practices.

Eric Deschamps:
That’s the s. Then I have some tribal rituals. The solo practices, another

Rob Dale:
Come on. Another acronym. Another acronym. You can

Eric Deschamps:
do it. The word grammar. Right? The word grammar, I call it the grammar of the soul.

Rob Dale:
I’m so used

Kate Beere:
to it.

Rob Dale:
I know.

Eric Deschamps:
I’m the same. Not and listen. This is the way my mind Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Great. I love it. Stuff. Yeah.

Eric Deschamps:
So for me, my my solo practices that are so important to me, gratitude, reflection, acceptance, mindfulness, meditation, affirmations, and reading. Those are things that fuel my soul and help me build the life, that I’ve I’ve that I’ve always dreamed of. My travel rituals, this is actually one of them right here. We get together and we have, powerful conversations, the 4 of us. Part of the reason I want the podcast to continue is so that these conversations never end because they are fuel for the journey. And other conversations with people of like mind that just really get me going. So those are just some examples of of practice. Goosebumps.

Kate Beere:
You got goosebumps.

Rob Dale:
Look at that. Goosebumps.

Rob Dale:
Could be

Rob Dale:
a hot

Rob Dale:
flash. Wait. Wait. Wrong show.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah. Yeah. You guys did that on another Hot flash. Sorry. Happened on here. On this episode.

Kate Beere:
You can’t control the hot flashes.

Rob Dale:
No. No. Steve can edit

Eric Deschamps:
the Steve can edit the Edit the edit the fuck Steve’s here. Right? Where’s Steve? Hey. Hey. And then power sources, as I mentioned. Like, what are the books you need to be reading or podcasts you need to be listening to or short form content online? We did an episode not that long ago on our, the sources of inspiration and learning that are most meaningful to us. You have to be digesting things on a regular basis that are feeding the best part of you. It’s okay to sit there and binge a series on Netflix. Mindless TV is okay.

Eric Deschamps:
I’m not saying it’s you shouldn’t do it, but be careful. If all that’s if that if that’s all you’re digesting and ingesting, garbage in, garbage out. You’re not gonna create the reality that you’re envisioning. What are the power sources you need to connect?

Wendy Dodds:
Yeah. Absolutely.

Rob Dale:
Yep. What are some power sources for you guys?

Kate Beere:
I’ll go. Yeah. My like, we’ve talked a lot about I’ll give one example today. I think, like, you talk about, you know, what you feed. Right? So working out now, I put on the Gaia network, which I love. And Gaia, like, there’s some hits and misses there. Yeah. We do.

Kate Beere:
There’s some things I don’t love, but I but I love a lot about it. And there’s so much on, just on mindfulness and, like, growth mindset. And so and it’s it’s just such a positive thing to have on in the background when I’m doing things. So I often because I, before I met you, you used to spend quite a lot of time alone when my kids were at their dad’s. And so I always have I need noise in the in the house, so I’d always put TV on, which oftentimes was mindless. So I love having diet in the background. I’ll work out to it, so I’m just feeding my mind as I’m working out, which is one of my favorite ones to do. And it’s just all of and because I’m more of that visual auditory learner, it’s how I learn, when I hear it, even if I’m just brushing my teeth and I hear something, I’m like, we were working out the other day together, and you were like, oh, that’s a good one.

Kate Beere:
Oh, that’s a good news writing down quotes from it. So it’s just like you’re getting inspiration while I’m physically working out. For me, that’s been my most recent, I think, true power source, if you wanna call that.

Wendy Dodds:
I love that. I never that’s such a great idea. I never thought about having it on in the background or Yeah. Oh, that’s a great idea.

Eric Deschamps:
Yeah.

Wendy Dodds:
I think for me, being at a stage in my life where I fully accept and appreciate the journey. I’ve kinda let go of the expectations on how things should be. Fuck it. This is where I am now, and this is kind of the journey that, I’m on and being okay with not having it all mapped out. Yeah. I’m also at a stage where I’ve, you know, become just very self aware and so deeply appreciative of being able to choose a life partner that, shares the same passion for growth, those shared visions for goals, supports me where I’m at. Oh, I’m gonna get all emotional. But also that It’s

Eric Deschamps:
that a

Rob Dale:
lot on this show. We don’t cry on this show.

Wendy Dodds:
But that appreciation and that communication, that’s been able to help me break down and chip away at the layers and layers and layers of walls that I’ve built up around myself over the years. I love that. And just being comfortable letting those start to disintegrate.

Rob Dale:
Love that. It’s it’s it it is, special to be able to to take that journey with someone. Yes. And, you know, we both are we’re all very lucky to have Yeah. That. And we recognize that not everybody Does. Does have that, and and they wrestle through that and work through that. But to be so grateful, it’s, you know, we’re launching a, 15 day challenge today, and then 35 days after today, we get married.

Rob Dale:
And, it’s, you know, from, and so it it really is having that person who inspires you and challenges you. You’re just so grateful for that. Yeah.

Rob Dale:
Yeah.

Rob Dale:
To have that as as a source of inspiration, not just an outside source like, whether it’s a show or or a a a network or or or books or whatever, but to have individuals, and certainly the 2 of you, the inspiring and being able to speak into Yeah. Into my life is is so so wonderful. We we’ve been we’re we need to wrap this up. There’s we we have probably go on for quite a while, but, I don’t know if YouTube has a limit in the space thing you hold a, you know, an episode. But, maybe just, kind of a bit off off chart from, what would you say? Speak to someone who’s thinking about signing up, not sure. They’re kind of at a place where, like, is this for me? Is this you know, maybe just that word of encouragement, you know, right speak to them directly to encourage them, or what would you say to that person that’s like, am I ready? Is it time? What should I do here?

Eric Deschamps:
Take the fucking leap. What do you have to lose? You might get clear even 10% more clarity on who you are and what you stand for. What do you fucking have to lose? Take the leap.

Rob Dale:
Goosebumps all around. Wow. Listen. We, we we have the the website’s live. The links are all there. They’re ready to go. I wanna encourage you, if you’re, you know, maybe you’ve been hearing us talking about it or maybe for the very first time, maybe you’re that person who this episode was introduced to you by somebody else, check it out. Go to our website, living richly dot me is gonna be the easiest and simplest way to find, the 15 day challenge.

Rob Dale:
There’ll be a link, a real it it’ll be impossible to miss the button, that you can be able to click on there. Go on Facebook. We’ve got our, our group there, the Living Rich Lee Nation, that you can find. You can connect in there. You could chat with people that have gone through the challenge. We are so I think next to when we launched this podcast and how excited we were in that moment, this is as an exciting a moment and a significant day, in the journey of living richly. And so we want you to be a part of it. So we wanna encourage you to to go and check that out.

Rob Dale:
On behalf of everyone here, we wanna, I just wanna say thank you so much for taking the time to listen in, to hear our passion and our excitement on this. You are part of this with us. We are a community together and we so appreciate each and every one of you. So just encourage you until next time to get out there and live your best life.

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